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OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Pepper Pig » February 22nd, 2016, 12:43 pm

First in a new series, Margaret Costa.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... okery-book

Ever since this article appeared yesterday I've been reading my copy which had been neglected for several years. Am enjoying it immensely.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » February 22nd, 2016, 12:52 pm

My Mum is a huge Margaret Costa fan, as is the friend who ran a local wine bar/restaurant for many years

But for some reason I have never owned one of her books, though some of the handwritten recipes I brought with me when I left home I'm sure are hers (unaccredited)
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » February 22nd, 2016, 1:01 pm

I've just found her Obituary (August 1999(

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/obituary-margaret-costa-1111633.html

This rang a chord
She confounded readers of the magazine [The Sunday Times] by devoting a whole column to salt, pepper and mustard - and thus introduced a generation to something called black pepper.

I think we may have got our first pepper mill that week!
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Ratatouille » February 22nd, 2016, 1:38 pm

I have a copy among my most used cook books in the kitchen.

It is signed by the lady herself. I got it when, Mr Rats took me to London after we returned to the UK and we went to Lacey's. She came out to talk to customers and we got on very well. She disappeared and came back with the signed book. There are several recipes, especially in the cake section i wouldn't be without, favourites are the gingerbread and banana bread.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby miss mouse » February 22nd, 2016, 3:29 pm

I too love Margaret Costa's book and use it a lot.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby earthmaiden » February 22nd, 2016, 5:28 pm

I had forgotten all about her! :oops:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Seatallan » February 22nd, 2016, 6:18 pm

Worse than that, honesty compels me to admit I'd never so much as heard of her... :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » February 22nd, 2016, 6:46 pm

As her main book came out 1970, it would predate your own cooking Sea

Mum & I followed her columns in the Sunday Times magazine, I suspect people who didn't take the S Times or follow cookery book releases closely didn't know her as she wasn't a TV cook

Fame was a little more restricted pre internet
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Seatallan » February 22nd, 2016, 6:49 pm

StokeySue wrote:Fame was a little more restricted pre internet


Indeed. She's not even in Wikipedia... :shock:

Thanks Sue- as you say, somewhat before my cooking time. My parents didn't read the Sunday Times either.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby capricornbcaroline » February 22nd, 2016, 7:17 pm

I think she had a column in the Farmer & Stockbreeder when my Dad was editor. Perhaps Farmers Home, mentioned in the obit, was part of it. I have her Four Seasons following a recommendation in one of Simon Hopkinson's columns in the good old days when he wrote for the Independent.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby miss mouse » February 22nd, 2016, 8:35 pm

StokeySue wrote:As her main book came out 1970, it would predate your own cooking Sea


Isn't it her only book?
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » February 22nd, 2016, 9:05 pm

miss mouse wrote:
StokeySue wrote:As her main book came out 1970, it would predate your own cooking Sea


Isn't it her only book?


I thought I'd seen a collection of her Sunday Times stuff, but it might just have been a S Times giveaway 0 Amazon only list 4 seasons
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby 4dogsagain » February 23rd, 2016, 12:52 pm

Pardon my ignorance, but what does OFM stand for? :?: :?: :?:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » February 23rd, 2016, 12:55 pm

4dogsagain wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what does OFM stand for? :?: :?: :?:


Observer Food Magazine
Once a month you get a food magazine included with the Observer Sunday paper - often quite good
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby 4dogsagain » February 23rd, 2016, 1:31 pm

Thank you.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Pepper Pig » April 17th, 2016, 9:23 am

I wondered when the second would appear. I have heard of Patience Gray but never read anything by her.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... rom-a-weed
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Ratatouille » April 18th, 2016, 12:13 pm

Another favourite of mine and used even more once I settled here in Provence.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Pepper Pig » June 19th, 2016, 4:57 pm

Never heard of this one. Lulu's Provencal Table.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... hard-olney
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » June 20th, 2016, 10:41 am

Pepper Pig wrote:Never heard of this one. Lulu's Provencal Table.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... hard-olney


Me either, though the name of Richard Olney rings bells
Here's a short bio of him

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/dec/12/richard-olney-french-cooking-provence
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Ratatouille » June 22nd, 2016, 1:25 pm

Another favourite which sits on my book shelves. Mr Rats bought me a copy when we went to buy wine in Bandol. I was so terrified with the drive to the place that I was shaking like a leaf!.

The whole book sums up the essence of simple food as cooked and served round these parts

PS I don't approve of the pissaladiere recipe though :lol: :lol:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby karadekoolaid » June 22nd, 2016, 11:47 pm

So when will we hear of Jane Grigson´s " Good Things" and Gail Duff`s " Vegetarian Cookbook"? 8-) 8-) :lol: :lol:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Ratatouille » June 23rd, 2016, 8:10 am

Good question KK. Or JG's Cooking of the british isles and Robert carrier's Great Dishes of the World.

I am wondering if the books mentioned are all going to be by cooks/chefs who have written in the Observer?
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Pepper Pig » January 17th, 2017, 8:27 am

Marcella Hazan's "The Classic Italian Cookbook".

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... n-cookbook

I adore Fergus. Anyone else eaten at St John? I haven't been for some time. I must remedy that. All Marcella's recipes look wonderful.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Badger's mate » January 17th, 2017, 7:23 pm

Anyone else eaten at St John?


Never have, but been to Bread & Wine several times. Probably my favourite restaurant. :hungry:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » January 17th, 2017, 7:35 pm

We have proposed meeting up at St John, but never organised it

I've never been as the couple of friends I tend to eat out with it don't fancy it, I'd really like to go before it declines, it's quite near to me

Not been to Bread and Wine either, for similar reasons
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Badger's mate » January 18th, 2017, 9:50 am

I like the food at B&W, very similar to St John (looking at the menus online), but prefer the informality. Also it serves more small plates and hence sharing gives more of a selection. The bread is lovely of course. It's also very handy for Liverpool Street station...
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby earthmaiden » January 18th, 2017, 9:57 am

We should do it! I would love to see what it's like. The menus for both shown online don't seem to have the things that many find distasteful any more. I am sure we all have our likes and dislikes but can work round them, just as in any other restaurant.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Badger's mate » January 18th, 2017, 10:11 am

The food's of a particular style; quite stripped down and basic, which doesn't appeal to everyone. There's bound to be the odd squiggly or dangly thing on the menu, but other stuff too.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » January 18th, 2017, 10:31 am

Badger's mate wrote:The food's of a particular style; quite stripped down and basic, which doesn't appeal to everyone

It's the no frills rather than the offal that has put off some of my friends

After all, if you go nose to tail, you get all the bits in between, including the ones you'd normally eat! :D
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby suffolk » January 18th, 2017, 10:41 am

Pepper Pig wrote:Marcella Hazan's "The Classic Italian Cookbook".

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... n-cookbook

I adore Fergus. Anyone else eaten at St John? I haven't been for some time. I must remedy that. All Marcella's recipes look wonderful.


I bought her Classic Italian Cookbook when it was first in paperback when I was a very young newlywed, and followed it up with her Second Classic Italian Cookbook shortly afterwards - they've been all I've ever needed in order to cook and enjoy a wide range of Italian food - I remember spending a couple of weeks in Tuscany and hardly eating any pasta, as she'd given me the confidence to talk about Tuscan cuisine to the English speaking Italian chef-patron of a wonderful restaurant near our villa, and he rustled up a huge range of food for me, rather than the pasta pasta pasta that he said every other English visitor wanted. :D

Yes I've been interested in St Johns ... it's the bdooly train fares as does it - we don't visit London anything like as much as we used to :rolleyes:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Badger's mate » January 18th, 2017, 10:47 am

Yes, there are plenty of recognisable things on the menu :D and (at B&W at least) several extra dishes on a specials board , but it's not always clear from the description how they'll be prepared. The staff are happy to tell you of course. A dish of Wigmore and potatoes is just that - a piece of cheese and some new potatoes. Doesn't appeal to everyone.

Some people find the small plates offputting. One friend won't go to our excellent local tapas bar because "they do bits and pieces, you can't get a proper dinner". This objection wouldn't apply to St John itself of course.

Apologies for going off topic!
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby suffolk » January 18th, 2017, 10:55 am

Badger ... (can I call you Badger? :) ) we tend to meander around our threads on here ... we're pretty good at getting back on track when needed and no one takes umbrage :D
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Badger's mate » January 18th, 2017, 10:58 am

no one takes umbrage


I remember it wasn't always like that in the old BBC days... :lol:
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Postby suffolk » January 18th, 2017, 11:01 am

Why do you think we came here ;) Riocaz imposes flexibility, tolerance and good humour with a rod of iron :scared: :lol:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Badger's mate » January 18th, 2017, 11:08 am

Riocaz imposes flexibility, tolerance and good humour with a rod of iron


If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance :D
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Postby suffolk » January 18th, 2017, 11:12 am

;) :lol: :tu:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Seatallan » January 18th, 2017, 11:12 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :tu:
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby scullion » January 18th, 2017, 11:38 am

have you looked at the prices for the norwich to london trip on a megabus , suffolk?
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » January 18th, 2017, 12:30 pm

Badger's mate wrote:Some people find the small plates offputting. One friend won't go to our excellent local tapas bar because "they do bits and pieces, you can't get a proper dinner". This objection wouldn't apply to St John itself of course


Yes I've come across that one
Also a couple of friends who insist that that they will not share, it's not "correct" which makes going to a decent Chinese / Indian / Tapas / Mezze restaurant something of a waste

I have also come across one or two who are a bit over precise on the divvying up, school dinner style; "that's not your prawn!" but I can live with that as I don't loose out :D
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Badger's mate » January 18th, 2017, 1:26 pm

We have got a couple of friends like that. Recently in a tea room, a slice of cake they were sharing was reduced to a pile of spongy rubble because each attempt to cut it in half was deemed unfair. Each half therefore had to be cut in half, with the same verdict....
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby scullion » January 18th, 2017, 1:39 pm

why people don't just follow the 'one cut the other choses' rule over things like that is a mystery!
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Busybee » January 18th, 2017, 1:42 pm

Easy answer that every mother knows - one person cuts and the other chooses which piece to have. Ensures no one cuts a bigger half! ;)

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Postby Busybee » January 18th, 2017, 1:42 pm

Cross posted Scully.........

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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby StokeySue » January 18th, 2017, 1:59 pm

scullion wrote:why people don't just follow the 'one cut the other choses' rule over things like that is a mystery!
As an only child not come across that one
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Badger's mate » January 18th, 2017, 2:16 pm

why people don't just follow the 'one cut the other choses' rule over things like that is a mystery!


In this case because the cutter would have regarded it as unfair to be 'punished' for well-intentioned but incompetent cutting
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby scullion » January 18th, 2017, 2:55 pm

well, i think they should either grow up or learn to cut better - or take it in turns to cut if they're both rubbish at estimating an equal half.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby earthmaiden » January 18th, 2017, 3:15 pm

Astounded at all this! Surely good manners once one has left the nursery is to let the other person choose, even if you really, really want the prawn!

As for not being 'correct' to share ... surely it's ok as long as you haven't licked the serving utensils?

I was thinking National Express which is a cut above Megabus and still much cheaper than train. I always drive to the outskirts of London nowadays and get tube/bus/train the rest of the way - still not that cheap!
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Luca » January 19th, 2017, 9:17 pm

We really should get to St John this year even if it can only be a mini meet.
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Badger's mate » January 20th, 2017, 9:09 am

We're on the road a bit, but tend to be about more in the growing season. I'd be happy to go if available. :D
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Re: OFM's Vintage Cookbooks

Postby Luca » January 21st, 2017, 2:25 pm

Great - Anybody who is interested and is at the meet next week - let's discuss!

Badger's mate - which months would be best for you so we can tentatively start arrangements.... we've been talking about it so long I think action is needed!
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