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Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » June 22nd, 2015, 12:06 pm

OH has just taken his head out of the sand and admitted that the Dr has given him a stern talking to regards him being a diabetic..OH has be in denial for the past few months when he was first told, but now is taking it seriously. Type 1 apparently and he has been told to loose some weight. I asked if the Doc had given him a list of foods that he really shouldn't eat as that would help me help him, but apparently he didn't.

I know all the bad stuff that has to stop. Sugar, fat ( bad fat ) but can he eat cheese? crackers? I have bought him some canderel for his tea and coffee. Does he have to have low fat milk? It made the shopping on Saturday quite interesting.

I have googled 'What can't a diabetic eat' but not really getting a site that can give me a list persay....anyone here help?

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby karadekoolaid » June 22nd, 2015, 12:10 pm

I would get back in touch with the doctor and ask to be referred to a nutritionist, straight away.
Or you could get in touch with these people: https://www.diabetes.org.uk/
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Ratatouille » June 22nd, 2015, 12:14 pm

Hi Trish

I really can't understand why your OH hasn't been referred to a specialist diabetic nurse/dietician to help him deal with waht could be a serious problem. If it is type 1 then is he on insulin?

I suggest you first contact this :
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/How_we_help/
or a similar organisation. I is very important and he really does need to acknowledge he has a condition that can be dealt with, but only with his (and your) co-operation and specialist help.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby amazing » June 22nd, 2015, 12:19 pm

Trish I feel he should go back to the Dr, knowing your OH I think it is type 2 he has.

My OH was verging on type 2, he has reduced his alcohol intake and is a bit more careful about what he eats. He is almost at the non verging stage now.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby puss-in-boots » June 22nd, 2015, 12:26 pm

Hi Trish

If he is type 1 he should be on insulin. He should also be checking his blood sugar daily and also he needs to see a dietician. They will help with the foods he can and can't have. He should have regular checks, is blood tests to check liver and kidney function, blood pressure. I am type 2 diet controlled but have to go for regular checks. I saw a diebeties specialist to go through all of the necessary blood tests I had and all was great. He will also have his feet checked to do with circulation and to check nerve endings. The diabetes links you have been given are good. He will need to have his cholesterol checked too but you can now get the machine that does both blood sugar and cholesterol. I kñow all this may sound daughting but once you/he are on top of it there is no reason why he shouldn't live a normal, long and happy life.
Make an appointment with your GP and go along with him so you know all of what it entails as you will be living with it too.

Good luck and keep us updated xx
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby spotteddick » June 22nd, 2015, 12:30 pm

Trish are you sure it is type 1? if it is then the doctor is in dereliction of his responsibilities, he should have been immediatly sent to dietrician, they will explain what, when and how often you can eat. He should have been given information and an introduction to the use of injection of insulin (it can be very dangerous to over insulat).
I have been a Type 2 for many years, you have just got to get your mind around the system, you can eat anything you wish (with the exception of high sugars), it is quantities and sugar content that matters. I eat cheeses, but will then not have a desert, I have never had a sweet tooth so chocolate etc is no problem. Also snacking between meals and in front of the tele at nights. I did lose 20kg, but it took quite a while and a change in life style.
But one thing is for sure, once you are a diabetic you are in the club for life.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » June 22nd, 2015, 2:12 pm

Thanks, I am now thinking it must be type 2 but I will nail him down to give me some proper answers, he certainly isn't on insulin.

He was being good last night, mind you he did bring the butter dish through to put butter on his spuds, I did say that that possibly was not a good idea, I got the glare and he did anyway.

Ok so some more investigation work on my part to find out what type he has. If I find the leaflet I shall ring the number and get some help if OH won't help me. As I said he is definitely been given a fright, he is drinking gin & slimline now instead of pints of Belhaven Best :shock:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » June 22nd, 2015, 2:23 pm

I have sent OH the links to his email address, I will tell him to have a good read and hopefully even attend one of their meetings, there is one in Aberdeen in September :tu:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Pepper Pig » June 22nd, 2015, 2:26 pm

Has he had a Glucose Tolerance Test? I was recently diagnosed by the doctor as a Type 2 but the Practice Nurse was having none of it until I did the GTT which proved negative.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » June 22nd, 2015, 2:33 pm

Ah PP herein lies the problem, I think by the way OH has been talking, albeit not a lot, he at first said the Doc said he might have it, then it was he didn't have it, then he did. It looks like he has it by all accounts cause this leaflet arrived in the post a few weeks back and OH saw the Doc the other day...hence his quick turn about to gin & slim.

I'll get to the bottom of it! at least for the short term he is now taking it seriously! I am!
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby PatsyMFagan » June 22nd, 2015, 5:28 pm

Trish... like the others, I think it is more likely to be type 2 than type 1 diabetes. You are usually born with type 1 whereas type 2 is generally caused through lifestyle ...In the early stages, type 2 can be controlled by diet, then if that's not working, you go on to tablets and the last resort is insulin injections... Type 1 diabetes generally means injections from the onset/diagnosis ...

He will need to balance his insulin levels with sugar/carb input ... a GI diet is a good one to look at .. if he has early onset type 2, then he should have had at least an initial referral to a dietician. Of course he will need to lose some weight too - being overweight can lead to type 2 , but he certainly isn't grossly so. I think any advice Dick can give will be good ... :tu:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby ianinfrance » June 22nd, 2015, 5:33 pm

Hi Trish. I've just been through a 3 month diabetes course, even though I'm not in fact diabetic.

First. It's virtually impossible that he's type 1.
Second, the best way of controlling type 2 is through exercise and diet.
Thirdly, neglecting diabetes can lead to quite a number of nasty conditions due to the effect that excess sugar has on haemoglobin. It links in with it, to form glycated haemoglobin. This prevent the blood carrying oxygen where it's needed. Over time, this can effect all sorts of things. Your OH should insist upon a test for HbA1c. Acceptable values depend upon age, you can find out good information on line.

Best of luck and don't worry. Although it's serious, the effects take a time to manifest.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Seatallan » June 22nd, 2015, 5:45 pm

Can't add anything much Trish (other than to agree with the others that it's almost certainly type 2) but just wanted to send a few :hug: :hug: your way. It can't be easy when your OH is so leary about engaging with it (and sharing the relevant information with you). I hope he gets his head around it soon, and lowers his barriers sufficiently for you to be able to share his concerns and help him come to terms with it.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby FoodMary » June 22nd, 2015, 6:12 pm

Trish - I am type two - have been for years. Once you get the hang of what and what not to eat it eventually becomes matter of fact and a way of life. Fortunately for me I am not a sweet tooth but carbs I love and have found cutting down drastically quite difficult.

Eventually it becomes a way of life and you can be a little naughty from time to time. Actually Brian helped a lot as he ate more or less what I did with a few exceptions so I felt much happier and not so sorry for myself!!

More importantly he needs guidance from a professional - preferably his Doc or his Surgery Nurse who should get him some printed guidelines of what and what not to eat. If you want to help him you can get good diet sheets/guidelines on line. Just type in Type 2 Diabetes.

Most of all it is not the end of the world and if he more or less sticks to the guidelines you may find he is a different - and more healthy man.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby sassy » June 22nd, 2015, 6:13 pm

If he is not insulin dependant - he is not Type 1

If he is Type 2 - this can be controlled carefully with diet and exercise. Has he not been referred to the diabetes care team? If not then he must go back to the GP and insist on a referral. He will need frequent assessment of blood sugar levels, he will require annual eye testing to assess for diabetic retinopathy and we will be eligible for free foot care to assess for diabetic neuropathy. And they will give valuable advice on diet which is essential.

I have to say I find it very very surprising if he has been diagnosed as diabetic and has not been referred to the care team. A lot of support there from the care team - he needs access to it asap.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby northleedsbhoy » June 22nd, 2015, 7:16 pm

Hb1c test is done at least once a year, more if the nurse not happy with the forecast. I don't know what's done in other areas but in Leeds when I was diagnosed was a reference to the Diabetic Clinic who monitored me for about a year then control was passed to my practice nurse and I have a full annual MOT where she checks pulse in my feet as well. I have 6 monthly blood tests but last time she was not happy with the long term forecast and put me on additional medication and 3 monthly checks. As I said on CB don't be led into buying diabetic jams etc and just spread very thin and as a treat, same as sweets. It's not too bad once you get used to it.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby LinzerTorte » June 22nd, 2015, 7:16 pm

Hi Trish :hug:
The first thing to remember is that diabetes is not the end of the world but perhaps means the world is a little different as most people know it.
I somehow think that your OH is not providing you with the full picture - which is in ways totally understandable as diabetes can be a big thing to face up to and absorb. Don’t be too hard on him!
I was diagnosed with type 2 back in 2002 and I agree with others that your OH is really most likely to be type 2 as type 1 normally occurs earlier in life and is controlled with insulin from the outset. It is also most unlikely that he has been sent away from the clinic without some kind of referral for further tests or advice on diet.
I was quite fortunate inasmuch as a cousin of mine had been diagnosed 18 months before, and when she reeled off the early symptoms I began to realise that I had many of the same. The symptoms can be hard to spot, even for GPs. They can include thirst, more visits to the loo for wee’s, aching feet, tiredness, irritability, poor eyesight, soft tissue infections such boils, plus a whole host of other things. A person may have all or just a few of these symptoms.
I’m sorry if this sounds very daunting, but when you have all the facts & information it is relatively easy to control. If OH can take control of his diabetes then the diabetes is not controlling him!
For the first 8 years I was able to control my sugar levels by diet & exercise alone but, as I say, I caught it early and treated it seriously from the outset. Diabetes is a progressive disease and each diabetic, like each person, is different. So at some point medication and then insulin will be most likely required but this can be spread over many years.
First things first, don’t let your OH ignore this but don’t get too worried yourself.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » June 23rd, 2015, 7:36 am

Thanks everyone for the advice, it is much appreciated :hug:

I asked OH last night if he got the links I sent him, he did and he read them. He does have type 2, but he did hesitate. He also put my mind at rest and said that he has booked into a course from the leaflet that got sent to him...Phew!, so at least he is heading in the right direction.

Dick I told him what you said and how you cope, I didn't get much feed back but I did reassure him that it doesn't have to be daunting and we will get there with little changes.

I do reckon his Doctor is a dither though, we used to have the same doc until I got fed up with miss diagnosis on an alarming regularity basis and I changed to a different practice, I have got the transferal form for OH to change to my doctors, he has been saying for the past couple of years he should change. My practice has mainly women doc's who don't beat about the bush :D

I can help with his diet ( help not nag ) as I don't have a sweet tooth and am presently on my own wee diet and have lost 2k and also now it's warming up there will be more golf, mind you he does play at least twice a week now so that's exercise, and he refrained from going to the pub last night and sat with a very diluted Robinsons barley water whilst watching the telly :D
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby spotteddick » June 23rd, 2015, 9:26 am

Trish, it is just a change in life style, I am surprised the GP didn't react with a bit more speed, in these cases it is always far better to go to the experts. I was lucky when it was first detected (by a nurse after a long drinking session) I went immediatly to a specialist. Luckily his wife was a specialist dietrician for diabetic patients. I was examined inside out, and put on a 6 week course on the control of diabetes. I then got on my bike and started to take control of my own destiny. I cycled most places, I walked and I controlled my calory intake. When the 5:2 way of living came along, I embraced it with open arms. Even though it is not aimed at weight loss, it did it for me, within 1 year I had lost 25kg and all of my readings turned from red to green. I carried on this way of eating even when in SE Asia. I returned healthier than when I went and my now doc said if he had not known that I was a diabetic he would say I was in perfect health. Alas I have not kept up carrying 20kg backpacks and eating soup and vegetables most days, but I do try and have a low calory diet and only eat small portions of cheese ;)
The people who worry about it are the people who do nothing about it, control it before it takes control of you.
It is helpful when you have a pro-active partner, well done :hug:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby ianinfrance » June 23rd, 2015, 12:51 pm

spotteddick wrote:The people who worry about it are the people who do nothing about it, control it before it takes control of you.
Spot on, Dick. While my history isn't identical to yours, it's sufficiently similar to be uncanny. I have to say that for me (and I don't know what Neil's figures are, so wouldn't dream of suggesting that he and I are in the same boat) half an hour's walking a day and the 5:2 diet took me back from being diagnosed as having type 2 a year ago, to my doctor recently saying "you don't have diabetes". I know that if I return to gorging on sweet things, and generally overeating, I will be at risk again, but - touch wood - I was able to have a square or two of chocolate after lunch without worrying, so the change in lifestyle is hardly a huge constraint.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » June 23rd, 2015, 2:23 pm

Seeing you have both met my OH you know the size he is, he should by rights be twice that size for the amount of rubbish he does consume. As you both know he loves his food, good food too. For the past 12 years I have been telling him that his eating of cakes and sweets and puddings (huge portions) and fry ups will catch up with him and now it has. ( not to mention the beer )...a bit like ( don't mention the war ) :lol:

I'm sure he has thought of it too, but it's sort of crept up on him and now he has to face the facts, but I am so glad he has bitten the bullet and going on the course and he will find it tough at first but he has given up smoking so if he can do that then I am confident he can do this. :D
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby MischievousRealRo » June 23rd, 2015, 5:37 pm

I'm a Type 2 diabetic diagnosed just over 3 years ago. Is there a history of Type 2 in your OH's family? I lost a lot of weight and then was diagnosed - but most
of my Mum's family have/had it.

He has given up smoking which with diabetes is a very good thing. When I was diagnosed my first glucose was 13.2 and then taken again the following day was
17.2 - both were fasting and the second one I had definitely not had anything sugary. I was immediately put on medication. Has your OH been prescribed any meds?

Others are right - he needs referral to a dietitian, a specialist diabetes nurse (should be available via the GP surgery), also arrange diabetic foot and eye checks
yearly. I found that eating sensibly smaller portions and very very occasionally having a treat. At first it took forever to do the shopping looking at the level of
sugar, salt, fat in everything. There were a fair few surprises.

There is a thinking at the moment that Type 2 don't need to test there blood levels (BMs). I was given a meter a while ago and do check fairly regularly. My
reasoning is that if you don't check then how to do know whether it is controlled other than the either 6 monthly or yearly HbA1c being done.

Stress and emotion can affect blood sugar levels. In essence it comes down to moderation and being sensible. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby ianinfrance » June 23rd, 2015, 5:47 pm

tinyTrishkins wrote:Seeing you have both met my OH you know the size he is,
Indeed, and we enjoyed meeting you both very much. But you know, I didn't find him that big really. I share his love of all things "naughty" though for me it's sweet wine rather than beer. If you feel he would find it helpful to chat to Jacquie and me via Skype, we'd be happy to do so, because honestly the lifestyle changes are perfectly viable. And the alternatives (admittedly long term) are barely thinkable. You can always PM me, you know.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby LinzerTorte » June 23rd, 2015, 7:13 pm

ianinfrance wrote:
…. took me back from being diagnosed as having type 2 a year ago, to my doctor recently saying "you don't have diabetes".


Ian - For accuracy and in order that no-one has any false hopes, I should point out that type 2 diabetes is currently incurable. As Dick said : “But one thing is for sure, once you are a diabetic you are in the club for life.”

I would think that you were, in fact, pre-diabetic - in other words, undoubtedly your sugar levels were high & you may have shown some symptoms of diabetes but you had not actually developed full blown type 2 diabetes. Thanks to your hard work and change of lifestyle, for which I applaud you wholeheartedly, you have been able to reverse it. Very many congratulations.

A quote from Diabetes UK : “Prediabetes, also commonly referred to as borderline diabetes, is a metabolic condition and growing global problem that is closely tied to obesity. If undiagnosed or untreated, prediabetes can develop into type 2 diabetes; which whilst treatable is currently not fully reversible.” and …..
“Prediabetes is a critical stage in the development of diabetes, for it is at this point that lifestyle choices can be made to turn it around. Early, decisive action can slow down or even halt the development of type 2 diabetes.”

I just wish people were talking about prediabetes back prior to my diagnosis. Heck, they were barely talking about diabetes itself back then. GPs weren’t nearly as well clued up as they are today. Diabetes is, unfortunately, a progressive disease so the earlier it is caught the better but no matter how you alter your eating & how much exercise you do, eventually at some stage you will need medication and, later still, insulin. Unless, of course, you die of something totally unrelated in the meantime, such as walking under a bus!
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby ianinfrance » June 23rd, 2015, 11:47 pm

LinzerTorte wrote:Ian - For accuracy and in order that no-one has any false hopes, I should point out that type 2 diabetes is currently incurable. As Dick said : “But one thing is for sure, once you are a diabetic you are in the club for life.”
Thanks for correcting what I said. However, in my defence, I would say that I WAS diagnosed as being diabetic, both from my symptoms and also from the glycated hemoglobin levels in my blood. At my last three visits all preceded by blood tests of course, I was told I am not. So it's entirely possible that in fact my first diagnosis was wrong and that I was in fact - as you say - prediabetic. My pancreas WAS still making insulin, but my visceral fat was absorbing it. Having lost 12 kg, most of it being visceral fat and through taking exercise, the insulin was able to do its job. At least that's how my doctor explained it.

In any case, my Hb1c levels dropped sufficiently for my doctor to say confidently at my last visit "you're fine" - in effect. But I still have some of the defining symptoms like night time thirst!
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Rainbow » June 24th, 2015, 12:15 am

LinzerTorte wrote:the earlier it is caught the better but no matter how you alter your eating & how much exercise you do, eventually at some stage you will need medication and, later still, insulin. Unless, of course, you die of something totally unrelated in the meantime, such as walking under a bus!

I didn't think that necessarily applied to everyone - according to Diabetes Australia it's most people, but not all.

"Type 2 diabetes can often initially be managed with healthy eating and regular physical activity. However, over time most people with type 2 diabetes will also need tablets and many will also need insulin. It is important to note that this is just the natural progression of the disease, and taking tablets or insulin as soon as they are required can result in fewer complications in the long-term."

Sorry to hear your OH has been diagnosed with Type 2, Trish, but as others have said it's quite manageable and getting help and support is a good start.

My mother had Type 2, diagnosed when she was about 73, and tablets didn't help her. She went straight onto insulin injections which she managed quite well. My father always worked out the dose and got it ready for her, but she managed the actual injections OK. She said she was grateful that she got it late in life - didn't have to cope with injections as a child - which I thought was a good attitude :D
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby StokeySue » June 24th, 2015, 8:46 am

MischievousRealRo wrote:He has given up smoking which with diabetes is a very good thing.


Smoking + diabetes (of either type) = retinopathy very often

It really does make you go blind :(

I think when N goes on the course you will both be in a far stronger position to understands what is what, and how you should cope
Presumably he will be given notes to bring home that you can read too, so you will literally be on the same page then :D

All the best too those of you coping with diabetes
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby scullion » June 24th, 2015, 9:45 am

LinzerTorte wrote: Heck, they were barely talking about diabetes itself back then


that's a bit of an overstatement.
there has been much research over the last few decades not least by this man (who, by the way was one of the medicine and surgery viva examiners for my finals and handed out the diplomas at my first graduation).
i was working in, and referring to, diabetic clinics thirty five years ago. just because you may have had no need for the info then doesn't mean much of it wasn't available. maybe your gp didn't keep up with the literature.
admittedly the knowledge has increased but then so has the incidence of the disease. when i was at college (late '70s early '80s) we were told that 2% of the uk population was diabetic. this has risen, currently, to about 6%.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby miss mouse » June 24th, 2015, 9:50 am

I know of him, very well regarded.


scullion wrote: when i was at college (late '70s early '80s) we were told that 2% of the uk population was diabetic. this has risen, currently, to about 6%.


Statins of course raise the incidence of type 2 diabetes quite significantly which raises many questions.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » June 24th, 2015, 10:02 am

Gosh, I am getting loads of info from you lots, thanks :cocktail:

Ian, I shall wait till he goes on his course and see if he feels more talkative about it.

He has stopped smoking, did so about 2yrs ago. I have seen no signs of snacks of late, no puds either. I do recall him saying the Doc saying he was pre diabetic but that was a few months back, seems he is diabetic now. As far as I am aware there has been no med prescribed.

It will all become clear after the course, and for me too so I can help steer him through this maze ;)
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » October 14th, 2015, 10:22 am

Well OH after having to cancel one of his courses as he was away in the States has finally gone off to one this morning.

9 - 4pm at our local hospital, the course is called DESMOND :? he was told to take a pack lunch. He took roast beef sandwiches on white bread with lashings of salted butter. A tomato, a small salt shaker, and 4 milk chocolate digestives, and a flask of coffee.

Wonder what the person giving the course will think of that...if he/she sees it. :lol: Hopefully by the time he gets home he will have a better idea of what's what. :D
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby gattodisonno » October 14th, 2015, 11:01 am

I have d2 and find my biggest problem is with carbs. I love sandwiches and pasta. From the forums on Diabetes.co.uk I discovered Lidl's high protein rolls which only have about 10 gm carb per roll. I can only eat half a roll as they are very big and very satisfying of my love of sandwiches. They would be fine for a bloke with a bigger appetite :lol:

Can anyone recommend a blood glucose monitor because I feel I should be more aware of the effect of what I consume? One with a painless lance would be good :rolleyes:

I am glad OH has gone on the course tt, I have never been offered one. My recent reading has revealed a move towards a low carb high fat diet for diabetics, which is not in line with what gp's are advising.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Busybee » October 14th, 2015, 11:06 am

Hi Gatto,

Have a word with your practice nurse, they will be able to set you on the right track re glucose monitoring. They used to give you a monitor plus write the necessary scripts for lances etc but latest evidence is that actually knowing your glucose levels doesn't actually change people habits therefore they are no longer routinely prescribed as its all been a waste of NHS money!

I must say that I don't monitor mine, haven't for about ten years - I rely on my annual review and sticking to the healthy eating plan.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » October 16th, 2015, 7:42 am

Finally got some feedback from OH on his course.

He joined me after it in our local and announced to all that it was a 'Marathon' and very boring :? but did admit that it's a good course for folk who are really unwell...but of course he is still maintaining that he is borderline and all is required is a few tweaks with his diet.

Last night however he said we must sit down for a chat as things have to change ( in the privacy of our lounge ).

He has this revolutionary idea which is that we don't do the usual weekly shop were we by the normal stuff, we buy food as we need it. I am not to make dinner every night as apparently that's what his problem is, being nice to me and eating the dinners I prepare :twisted: Oily Fish is to be eaten twice a week, in fact our diet will be mainly fish.

I have given him my full support whilst inside seething! I have told him he is in charge of shopping then, and as he is retired he can do the shopping and cooking and I will go with the flow. He said he will only eat when he is hungry, he lost a couple of Kilo's by doing this when he was travelling around the world.



I have noticed there is nothing in his new regime ( that I give about 2 weeks before he sucomes ) about drinking beer!

In reality I will just be cooking for myself then on the nights he is out, which is 2 - 3 nights a week...suppose I will loose a couple of Kilo's too


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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby suffolk » October 16th, 2015, 8:17 am

So it's all your fault then ......... :whip2: :rolleyes:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby northleedsbhoy » October 16th, 2015, 8:27 am

Oh dear tT. I was the same at first but that soon lapsed and I went back to "normal" eating although smaller portions and substituting a few things. He must have had the hard word. Actually since I've been retired I do tend to shop when I need stuff and am eating a bit healthier.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby gattodisonno » October 16th, 2015, 8:42 am

suffolk wrote:So it's all your fault then ......... :whip2: :rolleyes:


Thats the first thought that came to my mind too TT :o
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » October 16th, 2015, 9:21 am

Oh yes, it's never his fault!

I am just going along with it for the sake of keeping the piece! When he starts looking in the fridge and saying "there is nothing to eat" I'm sure he will realise that we have to have a compromise!

It's only him who eats rubbish anyway! I cook very healthy meals with fresh produce. When I do the shopping I never buy biscuits as I don't eat them, I don't get pudding stuff and I don't do puds. It's him that puts all the carp in the shopping basket.....Oh well it's going to be an interesting few weeks ;)
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby spotteddick » October 16th, 2015, 9:51 am

Hi Trish, it really is his problem not yours and if the only way to get around it is to go on a strict menu regime then so be it. Make a weekly menu plan and stick to it, no extras in the food basket. It is easy for me as I don't have a sweet tooth, though do love a pudding now and again (once a week). I have now started buying extra carrots and kohlrabi if I feel peckish I peel a carrot or eat a slice of Kohlrabi. I am trying to cut down on bread (hard real hard) but if I do eat a roll it will be a rye or full corn one. I have also started eating oats for breakfast and missing one other meal (I have set myself a 2 meal a day menu).
I do test myself on a regular basis (every Monday morning) I weigh myself, take my blood sugar and my BP. This I put into a spread sheet (EXCEL) and can see what my ups and downs are.
While I was working, I carried out a very rigorous eating regime, I actually counted every calory, limiting myself to a 1500K on normal days and zero on the fast days. I carried this out for a year and lost 20kg. I would never say this is ideal for everyone, but it worked for me bringing my levels down to a very controllable level.
I have a high frequency of diabetes in my family (My grandmother, mother,all of my brothers and one of my sisters), but this didn't really bother me, as that was them, it wasn't until I was in the mill run that it bothered me, but then it was too late.
But N should get it into his head that it is up to him to control his food intake and not put the blame on you, it is all about will power and control.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » October 16th, 2015, 12:35 pm

Dick, you are absolutely right, and he knows all this stuff, he is just playing at being an ostrich at the moment. I think he must have had some kind of blame culture going on in his family when he was growing up...he was the youngest of 4 boys ( well 10min younger than his twin )...because even now anything no matter how trivial it's never his fault. We have had many discussions on the subject and I do pull him up about it on the odd occasion and tell him to stop the blame game!

All I can say that it's going to be interesting this evening, I wonder what we are going to eat :shock: Or will he not be hungry, then I have to fend for myself...quite fancy a cheese, tom & onion omelette :tu:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Ratatouille » October 16th, 2015, 12:54 pm

Trish. It really is up to him but quite honestly if ones OH has a problem which requires a better diet then i have found it is better to grab the bull by the horns and embrace it yourself. It won't do you any harm and after all, eating together is one of the glues in any relationship.

Perhaps if you did take charge, maybe having taken advice on what is really needed then he couldn't really wiggle out of it. When Mr Rats needed to reduce his cholesterol last year we did it together and got is right, As a bonus I went down a dress size too. and i got to eat things I like. perhaps easier for me because Mr R can't cook (or shop) to save his life. Control freak - MOI :scared: :scared:

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » October 16th, 2015, 1:50 pm

That's the whole point Rats.....When we have dinner it's usually together, I cook and he does too, very healthy meals...it's nothing to do with the meals we eat....he is just blaming me for having dinner on the table when he comes in, he say's he is obliged to eat it. I could understand if I was feeding him fried chicken and chips every night but it's things like Baked cod with asparagus and new pots. Steamed salmon with broccoli, Chicken breast wrapped in pancetta, pork loin in cider crème fresh...all with steamed veg, so nothing wrong on that front.

it's what he is eating when I am at work, he has probably stuffed himself at lunch time with his mates in the pub and then comes home and feels bad that he has to eat a well balanced dinner which he probably isn't hungry for.

His idea of him only eating when he is hungry means we won't eat a meal together. I'll certainly loose weight as I won't be cooking half as much, if he doesn't want dinner that's fine, I will have scrambled egg or something light.

He has just phoned me to say that he is cooking tonight, he is doing sweet n sour chicken, and asking me if we have any pac choi and noodles, I said No, they were on the shopping list for tomorrow but seeing we are not doing shopping anymore you will have to go out and get some...so he has gone off to get pac choi and noodles. He said he is starving cause he hasn't eaten since lunch time yesterday. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Busybee » October 16th, 2015, 2:14 pm

Actually the sporadic eating is just as much an issue as what he is eating. One thing that he needs to avoid is the swings in blood glucose, by not eating for 24 hours this is what he is doing - hence some if the less than healthy choices he then makes.

Before I was diagnosed I never had anything at breakfast not even a drink until lunchtime, I had to reeducate myself to eat three meals a day, hard ar first but I would never even think about skipping breakfast now.

Hope that things settle down for you Trish, he needs to own this or he will have a very bumpy ride.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby PatsyMFagan » October 16th, 2015, 2:30 pm

I was going to say the same thing as BB .... from what little I know of Diabetes, I have gleaned that regular meals are imperative. ! breakfast with some protein will keep him satisfied for longer and regular meals will mean that he is never so hungry that he binges on biscuits etc ....
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby northleedsbhoy » October 16th, 2015, 2:51 pm

Trish, as you've learned, diabetics sometimes blame everyone but themselves, me I had no excuse as I'm single. Problem is trying to adapt and I still have lapses over eating regularly. Nurse I saw when I was diagnosed told me I must eat regularly, little and often. Visit to the the dietician really helped but as I said it's the nature of the beast to rebel. He must get into a routine and stick to it.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » October 16th, 2015, 2:51 pm

If I could reduce his intake of Best Bitter that would half the battle :lol:

Well we will plough on and see what the next few weeks brings...there is nothing I can say to him as he knows best! He knows something has to change but it has to come from him...I will try hard at making him think that all the subtle nuances I put before him, he thinks are actually his idea's...that's the only way ( I have lived with him for 13yrs ) I know how his mind works! ;)
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » October 21st, 2015, 8:13 am

Sit rep:

He is trying hard bless him! Smaller portions, steamed salmon last night with a chilli flavour, boiled new pots, a couple of tiny ones each and tender stem broccoli :D And a day off the alcohol :shock: he is aiming for two day's.

He is out playing golf today so that will be a 5 mile walk, also I was quite surprised yesterday he came home with some lovely photo's trying out his new camera. He drove half way up Arthurs Seat and walked up the other half to the top to take some pics.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby suffolk » October 21st, 2015, 9:21 am

Good for him :tu: :D
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » October 26th, 2015, 1:47 pm

Sit Rep: Last week.

So far, OH played 3 games of golf in the week, plus the walk up Arthurs seat. One day off the booze. Eating less portions, lots of oily fish. Catching him slyly having tit bits in the kitchen when he thinks I am not looking ;) and caught him slice a wedge of butter to supposedly put on his dinner and he put straight in his mouth...well I said " there is no point going to all the effort, your doing so well, if you are going to do that!" He said " Yes! I don't know what came over me, it was heading for the broccoli and got lost" :lol:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby PatsyMFagan » October 26th, 2015, 4:22 pm

:sprout: :sprout: :sprout: Did he really just put the butter in his mouth Trish ? I love butter, but not on it's own (different if it was cheese) ... I usually like some bread with mine, or melted onto spuds ... ;)
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