Help on Diabetes please

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby tinyTrishkins » January 20th, 2016, 2:55 pm

Had to trawl back to find this thread :D

Update on OH's diabetes: OH has now changed surgeries and his new one ( my one ) are taking it far more seriously than his old practice. He has had an MOT and also been to see the diabetic nurse...they have a diabetic clinic on site.

For the first time OH is actually listening to them and taking action. He has been off the booze, is cutting down his carbs, the nurse said he could do with loosing 2 stone, his BMI is 32 and should be about 25...all in all he said the nurse said it wouldn't take much to get it under control. His bp is ok, and his liver function is a bit high. I think because this surgery are being positive and not vague like the last place he is being more receptive...about time too! :D
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby spotteddick » January 20th, 2016, 3:56 pm

:tu: :tu: There is nobody that can do it for you, it's up to yourself (I mean his self of course).
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Annie » January 20th, 2016, 4:17 pm

I've been diabetic for decades.
In the last year my HBa1c (3monthly check) has been pretty bad. Yet I have a good diet, but as the nurse said the pancreas gets tired and deterorates.

I have increased my exercise (by fluke) and interduced more slow release carbs (such as oats my sugar levels are back to normal for now.

If he can control his levels through diet and exercise then brilliant however the most likely is they'll put him on some form of medication pretty quickly if his levels don't improve quickly.
Cutting down on alcohol is a massively important move. There has also been some reportinv that using artificial sweetners can aid complicatons however natural 0 calorie sweetners likee stevia are supposed to be better. The artificial sweetner is something relatively new and I dont think it is 100% proven as yet.
I eat fruit and veg, no fried foods until I got an actifry and use less oil than they suggest often up to half the amount. I also now eat a pescatarian diet which helps but meat should be as lean as possible.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby StokeySue » January 22nd, 2016, 2:40 pm

Happy to hear some progress been made tT hope it continues

Well, Annie, hope the improvement continues
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby northleedsbhoy » January 22nd, 2016, 4:39 pm

Blood and pee test handed in today. MOT next week, think I might fail as too soon after Xmas when I ate a lot and exercised less :(

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 9th, 2019, 5:24 pm

Hi all, I'm just snagging this thread so I can refer to all the useful info in it. What a great community we have - thank you! :D Nice to see contributions from longstanding Wildies like IaninFrance too :D
OH has just been told he's prediabetic and on the recommendation of one of my friends we've just ordered Michael Mosley's 8-week blood sugar diet book.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby earthmaiden » May 9th, 2019, 6:47 pm

I have a friend who found the book quite life-changing. A struggle at first but the results great if you stick to it. Your OH is lucky to have your support. I hope it goes well.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 9th, 2019, 7:05 pm

earthmaiden wrote:I have a friend who found the book quite life-changing. A struggle at first but the results great if you stick to it. Your OH is lucky to have your support. I hope it goes well.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Zosherooney » May 9th, 2019, 11:16 pm

I found this website supportive and helpful when I joined this 'club' just over a year ago https://thebloodsugardiet.com/forums/
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 10th, 2019, 9:52 am

Zosherooney wrote:I found this website supportive and helpful when I joined this 'club' just over a year ago https://thebloodsugardiet.com/forums/

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 20th, 2019, 2:50 pm

Hi all
Just wondering if anyone can give me any handy hints, tips and/or "rules of thumb" - that they have worked out for themselves.
For instance, I made a pea and mint soup today for lunch and wondered if butter or olive oil would have been "better"! I used butter in the end. Maybe there's no difference ...

It's a shame, but there are lots of things that we really like that I think we'll have to cut down on quite a lot. OH makes a mean risotto from any ingredients you care to put in front of him! As we had a lot of cooked chicken to use up he made a "quinotto" last week, which was ok. And we do enjoy pasta. As a bread substitute we've been eating (Lidl's) wholegrain rye crispbread with sesame seeds - I imagine that's fine because of the wholegrain element and low carbs?
For the times we absolutely have to have bread and nothing else will do, I'm making sure to get wholemeal "high protein" bread - as someone helpfully mentioned earlier in this thread.

He's also decided to give up biscuits and desserts altogether - at least, for the moment - as he feels that if he has some sugar it'll make him crave more. It really doesn't seem very fair for me to bake cakes and brownies etc, or even "healthy" apple crumble with oats and wholewheat flour but unfortunately I have rather a sweet tooth (as does DS who is living with us atm) and healthy fruit and yogurt just doesn't seem to hit the spot! I think my answer may be having a packet of choc digestives lurking in the fridge ... :lol:
Of course, it would be very healthy for me to give that all up too ...

The good news is that he's prediabetic, so with careful management he/we should be able to reverse it :D
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Busybee » May 20th, 2019, 3:31 pm

I’m diabetic and often have a few nuts and fruit rather than a pudding. I know what you mean about craving more sweet stuff if you do have something sweet, but I remember the specialist diabetes dietician telling me that it isn’t about cutting all sugars out, it’s about moderation. It’s ok to have a biscuit or chocolate as long as it’s a rare treat and not an everyday occurrence.

I think that when you are first diagnosed it’s a bit of a knee jerk and you feel that you have to cut everything out, but the real key is making a change that you can sustain, and once that’s under your belt then aiming for the next sustainable change. Small steps all add up to big changes.

If it’s any consolation I really don’t have a sweet tooth now, in-fact puddings etc are too sweet, I crave savoury above sweet.

Good luck.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 20th, 2019, 4:25 pm

Busybee wrote:I’m diabetic and often have a few nuts and fruit rather than a pudding. I know what you mean about craving more sweet stuff if you do have something sweet, but I remember the specialist diabetes dietician telling me that it isn’t about cutting all sugars out, it’s about moderation. It’s ok to have a biscuit or chocolate as long as it’s a rare treat and not an everyday occurrence.

I think that when you are first diagnosed it’s a bit of a knee jerk and you feel that you have to cut everything out, but the real key is making a change that you can sustain, and once that’s under your belt then aiming for the next sustainable change. Small steps all add up to big changes.

If it’s any consolation I really don’t have a sweet tooth now, in-fact puddings etc are too sweet, I crave savoury above sweet.

Good luck.

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Thanks BB, I think I forgot to mention it's OH who's been diagnosed :oops: - and he's definitely being super, super careful atm, as you say it's sustainable change that is required, not knee-jerk reaction! And yes, I totally get what you're saying about moderation - the same goes for so much else and not just food and drink!

Interesting that your sweet tooth has morphed into a savoury one! How long is it since you were diagnosed?
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Busybee » May 20th, 2019, 8:52 pm

Gosh I’m not sure, about 15 years. I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes whilst pregnant, it disappeared after delivery but I developed Type 2 when my DS was still at primary school.

I think my tastebuds changed slowly, but definitely by about the 18 month mark. I think if you are used to cooking from scratch rather than relying on readymade meals sauces etc it’s much easier. It’s the non obvious hidden sugars that can sometimes trip you up, especially in drinks.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby northleedsbhoy » May 20th, 2019, 10:02 pm

Busybee wrote:I’m diabetic and often have a few nuts and fruit rather than a pudding. I know what you mean about craving more sweet stuff if you do have something sweet, but I remember the specialist diabetes dietician telling me that it isn’t about cutting all sugars out, it’s about moderation. It’s ok to have a biscuit or chocolate as long as it’s a rare treat and not an everyday occurrence.

I think that when you are first diagnosed it’s a bit of a knee jerk and you feel that you have to cut everything out, but the real key is making a change that you can sustain, and once that’s under your belt then aiming for the next sustainable change. Small steps all add up to big changes.

If it’s any consolation I really don’t have a sweet tooth now, in-fact puddings etc are too sweet, I crave savoury above sweet.

Good luck.

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I second and third that comment. When I was first diagnosed I had the 'knee jerk' reaction and felt miserable until I was referred to the diabetic nurse and a dietitian. They explained that it's not good to cut everything out completely and moderation was the best way to go and one thing never to do is waste money on expensive diabetic jams etc, just use ordinary ones and spread it very thinly just to give the taste.

I asked about having to give up butter and full fat milk and again she said moderation is the way to go. I treat myself to certain things now a couple of times a week but limit it perhaps one biscuit at a time.

Hope it works out OK for OH.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 21st, 2019, 10:11 am

northleedsbhoy wrote:
I second and third that comment. When I was first diagnosed I had the 'knee jerk' reaction and felt miserable until I was referred to the diabetic nurse and a dietitian. They explained that it's not good to cut everything out completely and moderation was the best way to go and one thing never to do is waste money on expensive diabetic jams etc, just use ordinary ones and spread it very thinly just to give the taste.

I asked about having to give up butter and full fat milk and again she said moderation is the way to go. I treat myself to certain things now a couple of times a week but limit it perhaps one biscuit at a time.

Hope it works out OK for OH.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Zosherooney » May 21st, 2019, 9:51 pm

I used to enjoy cider but I think that was part of the problem. I gave up alcohol for 5.5 months and never went back to cider but I did develop a craving for sugar and it is only just starting to dissipate. I discovered Oaties in Lidl and have a few (2/3) once a week.... :oops: I recently had my annual diabetes check and all is well. I should get back on the waggon a bit more... :rolleyes:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 22nd, 2019, 4:49 pm

Zosherooney wrote:I used to enjoy cider but I think that was part of the problem. I gave up alcohol for 5.5 months and never went back to cider but I did develop a craving for sugar and it is only just starting to dissipate. I discovered Oaties in Lidl and have a few (2/3) once a week.... :oops: I recently had my annual diabetes check and all is well. I should get back on the waggon a bit more... :rolleyes:


ah yes, Zosh, I can see that cider could have been a bit of a problem ;) Glad to hear that all is well after your annual check :tu:

Do you eat the cakes etc you bake? Or is your cake and biscuit intake limited to your Lidl Oaties :lol: And what about things like pies etc, whether sweet or savoury?
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby northleedsbhoy » May 22nd, 2019, 7:42 pm

Even though I’m diabetic I still drink cider and my levels are under control. As I said it’s moderation, I also eat normal biscuits and pies - same reason. My nurse knows about my eating and drinking habits and she’s happy as long as I’m careful.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Zosherooney » May 22nd, 2019, 8:25 pm

KC2 I have a small amount of cake, they are mostly for Mr. Z and my favourite trades and fiends ! Moderation is the key.....
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 28th, 2019, 5:24 pm

I've just posted on the Protein Bar thread as the Beeb's latest recipe collection is "healthy snacks" ... (https://www.bbc.com/food/collections/healthy_snacks). Given that OH has just been diagnosed as pre-diabetic I was looking for something that might be OK for him and came across the recipe for this carrot and chickpea traybake: https://www.bbc.com/food/recipes/nut-fr ... _and_32952.

I thought they looked potentially quite interesting but have just checked out dates in the Michel Mosley reduce your blood sugar book and it seems that they're a bit of a no-no! Or do you think that 70-80g dates would be ok when combined with a can of chickpeas, a large carrot and an egg? He says that eating 2 dates has the same affect on your blood sugar as eating 2 punnets of strawberries and recommends staying away from them!

Do you think there could be a more suitable alternative? We're still finding our way with all this and it can be quite confusing :?
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby northleedsbhoy » May 28th, 2019, 9:20 pm

I think that this is something that you should discuss with the practice nurse at your surgery, especially if it's one that is a diabetes specialist (my surgery has one). I used to eat a lot of of fruit but I was told to limit my intake as natural sugars in some fruits are just as bad as added sugar in other products. Also, you have to remember that it's virtually impossible not to eat sugar as it's found in everything one way or another either by natural means or added.

However I did find that some articles gave certain fruits the thumbs down when in actual fact the nurse said that they were okay provided that they weren't eaten to excess.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Zosherooney » May 29th, 2019, 5:57 am

We have a good T2D nurse at our surgery who is very good, supportive and knowledgeable. :tu:
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 29th, 2019, 9:34 am

Morning, the nurse OH saw basically told him to go away and read up on the internet ... they're signing him up to one of those 12 week courses but it hasn't started yet.
I don't think our surgery has a specialist nurse or perhaps she is and was just having a bad day!

northleedsbhoy wrote: I was told to limit my intake as natural sugars in some fruits are just as bad as added sugar in other products. Also, you have to remember that it's virtually impossible not to eat sugar as it's found in everything one way or another either by natural means or added.

However I did find that some articles gave certain fruits the thumbs down when in actual fact the nurse said that they were okay provided that they weren't eaten to excess.
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Yes, NLB, Mosley highlights certain "tropical" fruit as being best avoided, such as mangoes and also says bananas, but as you and Zosh have said, moderation is definitely the way to go.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby northleedsbhoy » May 29th, 2019, 4:13 pm

One tip is to look at the ingredients and see where sugar is on the list, the further down the better. Even with ceareal like cornflakes sugar is quite high. The good thing nowadays is that %’s are listed by portion size.

Another one is I find dropping a Hermaseta sweetener in the milk for cereal makes them taste as though sugar was added (if that’s the way they were eaten).

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 30th, 2019, 9:55 am

northleedsbhoy wrote:Even with ceareal like cornflakes sugar is quite high. The good thing nowadays is that %’s are listed by portion size.

Hi NLB, fortunately we're not consumers of "processed" breakfast cereals. We get unsweetened muesli from Tesco, or Jordans if it's on offer. We discovered that the Lidl one we liked so much that advertised itself as being without any added sugar had the most appallingly high sugar content, I guess because of the dried fruit and banana chips etc, so we have well and truly given that one up. In fact, OH is just having fresh fruit and yogurt for breakfast now, so he's not even having any muesli. At least, for the time being.
I don't know if it is EU rules or some other body's rules that mean that the nutrition content in 100g and portion size are listed on foods, but I agree it is incredibly useful and I hope manufacturers don't drop it if/when we leave the EU.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby earthmaiden » May 30th, 2019, 1:06 pm

I do think you need access to a qualified nurse or similar. My late fella in the USA had diabetes which he controlled quite well. I had never had much to do with it before and had not realised that there is a big balancing thing with certain carbs as well as sugars. What he could and couldn't have quite surprised me. The balancing is a lot to get your head round and to become accustomed to but with professional help it is easier. To be told to go away and read up on it is obviously a good idea but you need a professional to talk to as well!
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 30th, 2019, 2:06 pm

earthmaiden wrote:I do think you need access to a qualified nurse or similar. My late fella in the USA had diabetes which he controlled quite well. I had never had much to do with it before and had not realised that there is a big balancing thing with certain carbs as well as sugars. What he could and couldn't have quite surprised me. The balancing is a lot to get your head round and to become accustomed to but with professional help it is easier. To be told to go away and read up on it is obviously a good idea but you need a professional to talk to as well!


Yes, EM, OH was pretty frustrated. but as we keep reminding ourselves, he is borderline so this is his chance to turn it around and not allow the full-blown disease to develop :D He's not massively overweight and has already lost some pounds. He doesn't know when they're going to repeat the blood tests (the nurse said in a year! But that is clearly too long to wait!) and he's going to make an appointment with our Dr to find out more of the plan.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Busybee » May 30th, 2019, 3:16 pm

I have just realised............have you had a look at Diabetes UK website? Lots of really good information and the ability to get qualified advice etc.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Busybee » May 30th, 2019, 3:18 pm

Lots of ideas here..........
Note the bit on breakfast cereals, you can still have muesli, just be careful about which type.

Hope this helps https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-di ... -breakfast

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Ratatouille » May 30th, 2019, 6:21 pm

It is very easy to make your own Muesli - if that's what you want to eat. Granolla too.
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby northleedsbhoy » May 30th, 2019, 7:59 pm

Personally, I don’t eat yogurt as I just don’t like it but the dietician told me to be careful as some, especially fat free brands contain a lot of sugar. Most fat free brands also do.

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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby Zosherooney » May 30th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Best to take natural yogurt and add your own fruit, I find s'market fruit yogurts too sweet for me... YUK !
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Re: Help on Diabetes please

Postby KC2 » May 31st, 2019, 10:11 am

Hi!
BB, thanks for the link, yes I had found the site but haven't explored it fully yet ....

Rats, yes, I agree it's easy to make our own muesli but tbh we simply haven't got any space at all to keep yet more packets etc! If we're going to do a big shop we have to make sure we have enough space for our normal essentials! That's what comes of downsizing .... :lol:

NLB and Zosh, yes we're careful about sugar content and other additives in yogurt after a friend pointed out the extraordinarily high sugar content of a "fat-free" vanilla yogurt we used to like. We get natural now and according to Michael Mosley it's best to get full-fat.

I must say it seems counter-intuitive to be told to eat full-fat and things like peanut butter as a snack as Mosley recommends! But OH has just been given an appointment with a "real" specialist nurse in a week or so at another health centre where they're going to repeat all the tests etc so we'll see what advice he gets from them.

Curiously my BF has just been told after a blood test that she's at risk of diabetes too, and she's at another GP practice altogether, so I guess it's one of GPs' targets - no bad thing if it can be prevented.
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