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Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » April 14th, 2018, 5:43 am

If anyone has any helpful tips, recipes or information - please share. I obviously understand that you need to follow your Drs. advice but it's good to network !

I found this and thought it looked different. Also for the fussy kids that struggle with veg, a way of getting it into them !
https://thebloodsugardiet.com/recipes/b ... ich-bread/
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby StokeySue » April 14th, 2018, 7:01 am

That could be a useful source of recipes, though personally I don't fancy that one. The only thing is most of them seem to be reader's recipes and not clear at a quick glance if they have been checked out for either cooking technique or compliance with the diet?

The best source of info other than your doctor is probably diabetes.org
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/home

I assume that this is the outcome of the tests? :hug: Good luck getting into the swing of what you need to do
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby hickybank » April 14th, 2018, 10:28 am

My Granddaughter has type 2 diabetes But now has a new treatment whereby one injection takes the place of 12 normal one, I think it costs around £80 a month through the NHS, My son is visiting today I will find out more then also the sites they found useful
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Suelle » April 14th, 2018, 10:36 am

I'm a great fan of Michael Mosly since losing over 1/3 of my body weight, and keeping it off, on his 5:2 plan. That was mostly cutting out carbohydrates and improved my blood sugar and cholesterol levels too, as a bonus.

I believe quite a few medical opinions are coming round the way of thinking that drastically cutting carbohydrates can 'cure' type 2 diabetes, although I'm not sure Mosley goes that far - he talks about reducing blood sugar for borderline diabetics and people with a lot of internal fat. If you want to go down that route, Zosh, I hope your GP is that forward thinking!
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby hickybank » April 14th, 2018, 10:40 am

Sorry Zosh just checked, my Granddaughter has type1 not 2, but she says the best site for info is www.diabetes.co.uk
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby PatsyMFagan » April 14th, 2018, 7:12 pm

I recall that our very own Spotted Dick was able to reverse his diabetes by doing the 5:2 plan .... I wish I had that will power ... :tu:
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby northleedsbhoy » April 14th, 2018, 10:22 pm

PatsyMFagan wrote:I recall that our very own Spotted Dick was able to reverse his diabetes by doing the 5:2 plan .... I wish I had that will power ... :tu:


For the last two blood tests my blood sugar level has been below the pre-diabetic level and my metformin was reduced to one a day. If it's the same in June then I can stop taking them. I don't know how considering that I haven't changed my diet or anything but hopefully it'll be okay.

The best advice that the nurse gave me was do not buy any diabetic jams, chocolate etc as they are a waste of money and it was much better to eat normal stuff but in far lesser quantities, such as a very thin layer of marmalade just to give toast the flavour. Also, to have a treat every so often. It was initially hard to have such a change in lifestyle but I got used to it.

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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » April 15th, 2018, 5:48 am

Thanks for all the tips folks. I make my own jams and marmalades and only use a smattering on bread and toast as I make them with a strong flavour and I tend to not use as much sugar as the recipe says as I have more of a savoury tooth.

Has anyone had any experience with this product ???? https://www.healthessentialsdirect.co.u ... D5EALw_wcB
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby northleedsbhoy » April 15th, 2018, 6:04 am

Nope, but it looks disgusting :scared:. The diabetic nurse who I saw at the hospital when I was first diagnosed also advised me to steer clear of this type of supplement and instead rely on changing my diet to adapt to the diabetes. I also had an appointment with a dietitian who gave me the same advice plus diet sheets on what was good, bad and food that I could treat myself to occasionally.

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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby StokeySue » April 15th, 2018, 11:33 am

Really, as NLB says, don't start adding products. Sort out a sustainable, effective diet.

Psyllium (ispaghula) husk is used to correct texture in some manufactured foods (which is a good use) and as a mild laxative / stool bulking agent in nedicine. Also sold as Fybogel laxative. Not a good idea as a regular detary supplement IMO

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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » April 15th, 2018, 5:08 pm

I have to have colon tests every 7 years so thought it would cover a multitude of areas. As well as helping not to eat too much as it keeps you fuller for longer on less calories.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby StokeySue » April 15th, 2018, 6:27 pm

If you think you need laxative for that, talk to your doctor. In my limited experience most of them don't like it as aregular thing, you do get a rebound effect when you stop
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Ratatouille » April 15th, 2018, 6:47 pm

You can only get Fybogel on a doctors prescription here and when you do you are delivered firm warnings about it's use. I have used it a very few times and it can be helpful ut the though of regularly would make me very scared I'm afraid.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Grasshopper » April 15th, 2018, 7:10 pm

Zosh - I am not casting nasturtiums about your figure, but Mum managed to come off her DB2 meds by losing several stones in weight.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » April 15th, 2018, 7:43 pm

That's part of the plan Grassy..... :tu: :tu:
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby dennispc » April 16th, 2018, 6:46 am

Fybrogel is prescribed here by GP's but can also be bought over the counter - not something I would describe as a supplement!

My lovely sister in law, eventually came off her diabetes tablets by diet alone.

Depends on type of colon test, but for colonoscopy little packets of 'medication' are sent in advance and strict instructions on diet.

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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » April 16th, 2018, 9:34 am

Just been blood tested again and my reading is now down to 10 ! Not bad in a week. We will see what it is on Friday after my visit to the nurse.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Suelle » April 16th, 2018, 9:41 am

Zosherooney wrote: As well as helping not to eat too much as it keeps you fuller for longer on less calories.


I wouldn't rely on something like that to curb your appetite unless you're sure a) you know when you are full and b) you can stop eating when you reach that point. There are groups of over-eaters who can't tell when they are full (I'm one of them) and also those who can't stop eating for psychological reasons rather than physical.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby PatsyMFagan » April 17th, 2018, 8:27 am

This morning I watched yesterday's programme that is usually on at 9.15 am with Angela Rippoff .... this is about health myths and facts ... as well as the benefits of running :shock: there was an interesting article about the pros and cons of daily mouth washes ..... there seems to be a (tenuous?) link with regular use and type 2 diabetes, also heart disease ... something to do with the mouth wash killing not only the bad bacteria that causes bad breath, but the good bacteria that can upset the body's defences. In this respect, Nitric Oxide was mentioned .. sounds awful, but in fact one of the good guys !
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » April 17th, 2018, 1:25 pm

Due to my tooth problem, I have been told to use the strong chemical MW - not the cheap s'market one to keep the area clean and infection free. I have had two hot salt water rinses since yesterday - again to lessen the risk of germs getting in, but it's a difficult area to maintain as you have to eat....
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Busybee » April 17th, 2018, 5:16 pm

When I had my wisdom teeth out at hospital under a general anaesthetic I was prescribed Cordysol mouthwash. Not pleasant but very effective.

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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby PatsyMFagan » April 17th, 2018, 5:17 pm

The programme did state that mouthwashes as advised by dr or dentist should be continued, but it was the ones that peeps use continually for bad breath that do the damage, :(
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » April 17th, 2018, 5:52 pm

BB that'll be the badger ! I found a Superdrug copy of the Cordysol for half the price. :tu: The treatment centre gave me a bottle yesterday as well.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Busybee » April 17th, 2018, 6:08 pm

Zosherooney wrote:BB that'll be the badger ! I found a Superdrug copy of the Cordysol for half the price. :tu: The treatment centre gave me a bottle yesterday as well.


Make sure it has the same strength of active ingredient, sometimes they aren’t as strong hence the cheaper price.

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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » April 17th, 2018, 6:14 pm

:tu: I did that BB :tu:
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby PatsyMFagan » April 18th, 2018, 8:23 am

Just to clarify, the programme did warn against continuous use of mouthwashes, with no medical need, purely to freshen breath ...................
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby StokeySue » April 18th, 2018, 8:49 am

Here's more detailed information on the mouthwash thing, from diabetes UK.
I wouldn't take antibiotics continuously, or use antibacterial shower gel (unless medically required) because it would disturb my friendly :wave: bacteria, so I suppose it makes sense not to kill off the buccal (mouth cavity) flora

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2017/nov/twice-daily-mouthwash-use-could-increase-risk-of-type-2-diabetes-96895059.html
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby aero280 » April 18th, 2018, 9:08 am

I don’t remember the details exactly, but I believe that all medicines have a recipe, and when approved, they are given a licence. The licence has a number beginning with a P. So something like P352975.

If that number is the same on the different sources of your mouthwash, then the the two are exactly the same. If the numbers are different, something has been changed.

That always assumes that mouthwash is a medicine covered by the licensing system.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby StokeySue » April 18th, 2018, 11:01 am

Nearly aero
The product licence is specific to both the formulation (recipe) and manufacturer.
So for example if you buy paracetamol tablets that are supermarket own brand, the chances are that the PL (product licence) number will link back to Galpharm who make a lot of these basic medicines, but it's quite likely that other manufactureres make them with a different PL.

Corsodyl is made by gsk who hold the original PL but if some other manufacturer makes a look-alike, they will have their own, different, PL
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Postby aero280 » April 18th, 2018, 11:23 am

Thanks Sue. I only heard it as an aside. I'm pretty sure it was the Michael Mosley programme.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Amber » April 18th, 2018, 8:33 pm

Ooh, I didn’t know about Galpharm, I’m fairly sure that’s the name of the company who makes (imho) the best cold sore cream. And at a fraction of the Zovirax cost.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby StokeySue » April 19th, 2018, 8:52 pm

Galpharm specialise in making what are called generics
That's to say tried snd tested (in this case non-prescriotion) medications that are no longer only made by the company that originated them, they sell to independent pharmacies under their own brand but also manufacture own brands for other people

Much as Greenall make most supermarket own brand premium London Dry Gins. :D Though those actually are all slightly different I understand.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » May 16th, 2018, 8:53 pm

Quick update....

I am now on statins - we will see what transpires at the next nursey visit. I am still on the waggon and have lost nearly 5kg since being diagnosed. Sleeping much better and I seem to be able to achieve more in a day than before. However I have been retiring earlier around 9-10pm.

Heard that my brother (who was also diagnosed in Jan 18) has shed 2 st. and according to his quack is no longer diabetic.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby northleedsbhoy » May 16th, 2018, 10:15 pm

Statins are for cholesterol which means that yours must be on the high side. Type 2 is treated mainly in two ways; diet or tablets such as Metformin but longer term may mean insulin. My dosage has been reduced to one per day and if my next blood test comes back below the pre-diabetic level then I can give that up. Diabetes can't be cured but it can go into remission and that seems to be what mine has done.

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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » May 17th, 2018, 3:49 pm

Yes, NLB I think you are right. Another test in 6 weeks and I will see what transpires. I am hopeful that I can 'treat' it by diet.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Ratatouille » May 17th, 2018, 6:30 pm

Zosh if higher than should be cholesterol, Mr R managed to get his down in 6 weeks by cutting out extra fat. We cut out fried anything , cream, ice cream. We both lost quite a few kilos. I suspect we ought to do it again. He told our GP he wanted to avoid statins because his mum had a very very bad experience with said drugs and Dr was d'accord.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » May 18th, 2018, 6:20 am

Rats, I read very well the instructions that came with statins and yes, there can be some side effects but nursey said the ones (and there are quite a few) she had scribed me are the most acceptable by the majority.

I have cut out extra fat, ie. no butter on toast etc. It has been pointed out to me that I should continue to have carbs to some degree.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby PatsyMFagan » May 18th, 2018, 7:39 am

Apples, Oats (including Oat Bran) and soya products lower cholesterol too Zosh, but I am sure you know that. There are no carbs in fat as far as I am aware ....

Oh, and replacing animal fats with good vegetable fats also lowers the bad guys ;) but maynot help with weight loss :rolleyes:
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby StokeySue » May 18th, 2018, 8:10 am

Well done on losing 5 kg Zosh

As I understand it complex carbs such as bread, preferably wholemeal, are good, but sugar is not.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » May 18th, 2018, 6:38 pm

Apparently sourdough is the best kind of bread for me and my situation. :tu:
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby northleedsbhoy » May 18th, 2018, 9:40 pm

Best advice I can give is see a dietitian and my appointment was arranged via the specialist diabetes nurse. A lot of things that I thought I'd have to give up transpired to be not necessary; just eat them in moderation.

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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby dennispc » May 19th, 2018, 7:05 am

Zosherooney wrote:Apparently sourdough is the best kind of bread for me and my situation. :tu:


Helped no doubt Zosherooney by making your own, thus the yeast has time to do its job outside your body unlike supermarket bread. Sadly some supermarket sourdoughs use a speeded up process, thus a sourdough in name only.

Sorry to say I have low cholesterol, 2.7, the only explanation is it’s part of my genes. Here’s some notes I copied from the Times, if someone is a subscriber it may be possible to read the whole article.

From Times April 11 2018

Britons carry a sugar gene - consume more sweet food but store less body fat.

A mutation - 70% of us - brain dials up carbs at expense of fats and protein

Tim Grayling Genetics professor at Exeter Uni - different versions of FG121 - those with one version - marginally more calorie from sugar, drink more alcohol, carry less body fat, more likely to get a pot belly.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » May 19th, 2018, 10:44 am

Yes, NLB I was surprised too.

Denn, interesting reading. As I am half Polish I tend to lean towards savoury food and not sweet, but I do find that chips stick to my hips !!!
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby dennispc » May 21st, 2018, 8:27 am

:oops: First, obviously I copied part of the article incorrectly - there isn't a Professor Tim Grayling at Exeter University.

I wonder if I was confusing him with Professor Tim Spector at Kings, who thinks the artificial sweetners added to processed foods are bad for our gut.

Had a chat with my SiL who controlled her diabetes through diet so that her medication was much reduced. Basically she cut out all sugar, cakes, biscuits etc., and bread, because even when making bread with a machine she followed the recipe which included sugar and supermarkets certainly add sugar. I can't help wondering why, no need for sugar in bread.

In addition she cut out alcohol and generally ate less to lose weight.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » May 22nd, 2018, 7:16 am

It can be done ! and quite easily with a few small changes to diet..... :tu:
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » June 4th, 2018, 10:48 pm

Interesting reading....

Brown rice is interesting in that it releases less carbohydrate if cooked and then kept in the fridge for 12 hours (the starch sets into ‘resistant starch’) and as a result it releases significantly less sugar when eaten. Adding a spoonful of olive oil or coconut oil when cooking also helps the brown rice have less impact on your blood sugar.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby suffolk » June 5th, 2018, 4:22 am

Where did you read that?
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby Zosherooney » June 5th, 2018, 5:01 am

https://thebloodsugardiet.com/frequentl ... questions/

Here, hope it's viewable to you, scroll down to the rice pasta, bread question......
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Re: Type 2 diabetes

Postby suffolk » June 5th, 2018, 6:28 am

:D :tu:
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Postby Zosherooney » June 5th, 2018, 9:19 am

Just wondering if SS might be able to explain, why the brown rice thing is meant to be good ? Stokey you out there somewhere ??
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