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Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » October 19th, 2019, 5:19 am

I've just started another photography course, this time a 10 week standalone one with the Open University. The recommended editing software is Adobe Lightroom. Does anyone here have any experience of it? They say it's straightforward but it doesn't really look it.

And did you know the OU does a range of free, taster-type courses in their OpenLearn range? One of my fellow swimmers has just retired from being a course moderator and really reckons them to be good. (Typically mine isn't a free one).

https://www.open.edu/openlearn/free-cou ... -catalogue
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby earthmaiden » October 19th, 2019, 7:10 am

Hmmm, I haven't used it but believe Lightroom is the usual recommendation. I think to master that sort of thing on your own is quite hard. It's nice to be in a class to exchange information. I'm doing another photoshop course after half term - looking forward to getting up to date as the last one I did was at least 15 years ago.

Great OU info, thanks. I gave up OU when the fee system changed but some of those modules look interesting.
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby musselsandfries » October 19th, 2019, 7:20 am

I wanted to say thanks for the reminder about Open Learn, it has changed so much since I last looked at something like that.
I'm an avid reader with various interests and it looks like it will really help me focus on certain subjects.

As a practice just signed up for a subject I did 30 yrs ( :o ) ago ...

p.s if anyone knows of anyone interested in railway history then University of York do some (payable) online courses.
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby TeresaFoodie » October 19th, 2019, 7:50 am

Your course sounds interesting PP. OU are a fab organisation to sign up to. I did a short arts course about 10 years ago. Wasn't aware they did free courses. Annoyingly I must have signed up using my current email address and have forgotten my user name. Any ideas on that? I can reset my forgotten password but only if I can remember my user name. Grr! Would love to take on a short course for the winter.

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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby scullion » October 19th, 2019, 9:11 am

lightroom is one of the programs i never used from my copy of the master collection (can't use any of it now i have a mac) but have you tried looking through the lynda free tutorials? some of them may be a little advanced and possibly the free ones will be for older versions - although the basic program shouldn't have changed. the more modern stuff will possibly need a subscription.
have you thought of seeing if the library has any books?
there are some pretty good books for the adobe collection - the 'classroom in a book' series - i have the photoshop and dreamweaver ones published by adobe press but you could try looking on abe books where there are a few older version books for very little that may be a help. scrolling through there are some that aren't too many years out of date and at a good price.
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Herbidacious » October 21st, 2019, 9:47 am

Sorry only just saw this. I have and use Lightroom (regularly).
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Herbidacious » October 21st, 2019, 9:53 am

To add to that, I don't find Lightroom difficult. No messing about with layers, The only thing that did, initially, regularly piss me off is the way it wants to move your photos around. Just make sure when you import, that you also say where they are going to go (right hand column) otherwise may move them! :evil:

I keep saying that I should do a dedicated Lightroom course (maybe at the City Lit) but the prospect doesn't thrill me. It's always tricky doing courses when you know quite a bit from being self taught. I find myself switching off when they start talking about things I know, and not swtitching back on again whne they start talkign about things I don't.

Are you shooting in RAW?

I'd quite like to do a photoshop course too. My knowledge of it is very rudimentary - doesn't extend much beyond the basics than cutting things out and removing blemishes.
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » October 21st, 2019, 10:38 am

Not shooting in RAW. The OU have advised against this for "sharing" purposes. They have lots of tutorials and links to YouTube tutorials which I couldn't see when I first posted this question as the course hadn't officially started. I think I'll probably be OK, thanks everyone. The course is only 10 weeks so I've signed up for the Lightroom and Photoshop package for that time.

Thanks again.
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Herbidacious » October 21st, 2019, 1:03 pm

Interesting. When you process in Lightroom, you export edited RAW files as jpegs (or other shareable format) anyway. (Because the RAW files can't be altered.)

edit: looking at the City Lit Lightroom course, it suggests you can expert as RAW. now I am confused! It's by the by, but I will be looking this up!

If you pick up any excellent Lightroom tips maybe you could pass them on :) (Or is that cheeky...? :? )
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » October 21st, 2019, 1:40 pm

I’ll try and find the bit about RAW next time I’m on the PC. It’s not that it can’t be done they just don’t want you to when you post your photos up on the Group Discussion/Critique boards. I may have got it wrong as I haven’t a clue really. OH is on there playing games at the moment Herbi.
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » October 21st, 2019, 3:07 pm

It says in the introduction to the course:

2 OpenStudio: My Photos
The ‘My Photos’ tab of OpenStudio is where you will upload and manage your own images week by week. Every week you can upload up to 10 images. You do not have to use all 10 slots if you do not want to, though we encourage you to do so. Each image must be a JPEG and should be under 5 MB in size. However, there is little benefit in uploading image files as large as this as they may contain more pixels than can be dispayed onscreen. You will find it easier and quicker if you upload images of less than 3 MB.


I still haven't found the bit about RAW but it's in there somewhere!
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » October 21st, 2019, 3:16 pm

RAW
For those who have not heard of RAW before, it is not required for the module but this format is shown when using Adobe Lightroom. D****** (moderator) will be putting further information in the ‘Extra tricks & tips’ forum in due course (this forum opens about two weeks into the module).

Why swap from RAW to DNG?

Below is a link to Adobe's website on why they think using DNG is good practice.

The Advantages of the DNG format
DNG-Enhancements in Adobe Lightroom 4
For those who use RAW

You can convert your RAW files as you import to Lightroom. You then avoid compression and other disadvantages of using JPEG in camera. You could then make ‘non-destructive’ edits in Adobe Lightroom and finally save as a JPEG when you need too. If you are interested in using this, do let us know how you get on via the forums. You may come up with the problem of your camera’s format not being supported.

To convert to DNG if you are not using Adobe Lightroom, have a look at http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/ ... ftpID=4576. Or, for a later version: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/ ... ftpID=5024.

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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Herbidacious » October 21st, 2019, 3:32 pm

I have done a few little courses/photography afternoons and one of the first things they always say is shoot in RAW for the reasons stated in your last post. The main obvious reason for using DNG over RAW seems to be the size of the files. I can certainly attest to the memory-gobbling nature of RAW files! I ended up getting custom memory fo my last laptop as the current trend is to have less and less memory (and put everything on the cloud).
Some downsides of DNG here:

https://www.photoup.net/differences-bet ... -png-jpeg/

But you can't shoot in DNG in my camera anyway...

Sorry, I am beginning to sound very spoddy. There's always someone on the courses I have been on who goes on and on about the techy side of photography to the exclusion of the artistic elements (the latter being what the tutor is always most interested in.) It's not me! (So far it's actually always been a man... :shock: :?)
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » October 21st, 2019, 3:57 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Someone has just told me in our little group what I need to do to make one of my photos really stand out. It is complete gobbledygook and I'm sure he's just trying to impress the other members. Actually it bothers me a little bit that I am the only girl in the class of ten but I am not going to let on. It might work to my advantage, you never know.
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » October 23rd, 2019, 12:22 pm

Well the first problem is that I have Lightroom CC and the OU tutorials are for another, older version. The good news however is that the Creatve Cloud tutorials are much easier to follow!
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Herbidacious » October 23rd, 2019, 6:38 pm

Jolly good. I think the hardest thing about it is it's organizational element, which I should have studied before I got going, but well, you know I just wanted to process photos (especially as I shoot in RAW and needed to.)

I am not sure if the doubtless chaotic way my files are organized from a Lightroom perspective can be remedied without a lot of work. I am adamant that I organize my files on my machine the way that seems intuitive to me, but I could probably (definitely) still organize them better within Lightroom.

I do have a technical problem with LR. I think it doesn't like my graphics processor. I have to fix it every now and again as LR goes through phases of constantly crashing. Usually starts up again after a Microsoft update...
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » November 7th, 2019, 8:58 am

Herbi, do you use the histogram a lot?
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby PatsyMFagan » November 7th, 2019, 9:03 am

:tu: Now you're talking too technical PPig ;) :? :lol:
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » November 7th, 2019, 9:15 am

Thought that would impress you! :lol: I am taking baby steps through this course, believe me. :o
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Herbidacious » November 7th, 2019, 9:51 am

Pepper Pig wrote:Herbi, do you use the histogram a lot?


PP, no, but I should. I understand what it shows, but not really sure how to act on that information. I really should do some studying... I am really very lazy on this front. I am probably quite weak on exposure. Too many photos with rather blown out skies, and I am probably relying too much on Lightroom to bring them back. (Especially now I have got to grips with the graduated filter... which leads to the further temptation of creating slightly unreal, HDR style images. Which is fine occasionally, I suppose.)

Are they recommending any good books? Maybe I should do your course if they run it again. Not sure I trust myself to keep up with on line studying though. I will wait for your appraisal of it, perhaps.
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » November 23rd, 2019, 6:56 pm

Herbi, there is quite a large discussion on the OU forum about photographing alone. The consensus is that you should always have somebody with you, not just to carry stuff but to avoid robbery, violence and other unwelcome attention.

It had never occurred to me!
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Herbidacious » November 23rd, 2019, 9:52 pm

Yes useful to have someone who has your back, so to speak, as long as they don’t get too bored. This is why I am trying to get my husband interested in photography. But it’s not really working!

I do feel a bit vulnerable on my own sometimes. I wear a cross body bag for my purse etc. which I make sure is over my stomach when I am taking photos. I tend to wear my camera across my body when not using, and round my neck and in
my hand and semi tucked under my forearm when using frequently to make it look less obvious.

Lightroom is giving me gip again after the latest Windows update :evil:
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Herbidacious » December 3rd, 2019, 8:20 am

How's the course going, PP?

To fix my LR problem I had to uninstall and reinstall it in the end. This worked, but I lost my catalogue. Doh. I am sure it's still there though, somewhere. With all that's been going on, I've not had time to have a good look. I wish I had taken the trouble to sit down and learn the rudimentary non-editing parts of LR when (before!) I first started using it, but was too eager to get going with turning RAW into jpegs.
I was supposed to start a two parter City Lit night time photography in the City course last night, but felt too tired after last week's horrors, so cancelled. (Had to do the same last year for the same course, due to illness.) Not sure if I will get my money back. But I have booked myself onto a 6 week People photography course there, which covers studio, formal and informal and street. I hope I am not too much out of my comfort zone on the interacting with people side to be able to get them most out of it. I have out a speed light on my Christmas wish list. I want to learn how to make the background black (with it)...!
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Pepper Pig » December 3rd, 2019, 10:21 am

I'm really enjoying it Herbi but I'm getting a bit behind with the assignments as the weather has been so rubbish. There's only so many rain filled images you want to take.

Lightroom is much more straightforward than I thought and I have got the hang of the histogram. This weeks work concerns quite a lot of "history of photography" and the LR stuff is about making your pictures look older - the sepia, black and white or special old effects look. Last week's was all about the different ways of preserving your images. I think probably my next move is to join a local camera club. There are loads round here.
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Re: Open University/Adobe Lightroom

Postby Herbidacious » December 3rd, 2019, 12:34 pm

There's supposed to be a good (and very long standing) club/society near me too, but I keep putting it off. Writign groups still get priority.

Yes, rain not great :) My weekend in Norfolk/Suffolk was rubbish for photography. A mask of grey cloud and very dark. Not even any interesting breaks in the clouds.

re history, there is a City Lit course focussed on and based in the V&A photography archive that sounds interesting. I'd be happy with an afternoon though... (and it's during the day, as most of the exciting ones seem to be.)

Glad you are enjoying it PP! And it's always nice to be in the company of people who like talkiing about something you are enthusiastic about even if it's online. (As Wildfood demonstrates!)
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