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Re: tomtatos

Postby liketocook » August 22nd, 2017, 8:20 am

Zosherooney wrote:LTC I bought the seeds in Croatia a couple of years ago. They get two chances - survive or not....

Can you get tomato poisoning ????

Sounds like my approach to growing things :lol: :lol:
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Postby scullion » August 24th, 2017, 3:47 pm

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ok, maybe not as big as zosh's but how's this for little and large?
marmande and a herritage currant tomato.

(those are cm, by the way, not inches.)
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Re: tomtatos

Postby Herbidacious » August 27th, 2017, 10:35 pm

Threw away the rest of my blight ridden plants today. Two looked Okish but decided this was probably mainly wishful thinking and it wasn't worth the heartache waiting. Also chucked all but one courgette plant :(
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Postby liketocook » August 28th, 2017, 8:44 am

Herbidacious wrote:Threw away the rest of my blight ridden plants today. Two looked Okish but decided this was probably mainly wishful thinking and it wasn't worth the heartache waiting. Also chucked all but one courgette plant :(

:( :( :( :hug:
No blight here but my courgettes have been mainly destroyed by torrential rain :x Also have had to pull my fennel as it's bolted and waterlogged, will freeze some and dehydrate some. The runner beans are loving the wet weather though :)
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Re: tomtatos

Postby Herbidacious » May 27th, 2018, 8:58 am

I wonder if we could change the title of this thread to tomatoes. The original thread was about tomato potato hybrids, but it turned into a tomato thread.

Anyway I have a tomato question. Do most people pot there tomatoes on twice before putting them in their final pots? i.e. into small ones then intermediate before the 12 inch up ones?

I bought a grow pot tower yesterday. It looks awfully complicated. (And too expensive to have more than one or two.) I am also trialing an oasesbox. Also pricey. Might try making my own 'quadrows'... or not!
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby suffolk » May 27th, 2018, 9:12 am

Yes, mine get potted on twice, sometimes three times depending on the weather ... if it's still too chilly to put them outside in their big pots they have to go into some intermediate ones in order to have room for them on windowsills and in the studio or little greenhouse.

This year mine will eventually be planted out into the veg patch rather than into big pots ... we'll see how they like that :D
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby scullion » May 27th, 2018, 9:45 am

the seeds all get sown in one small pot, when they reach the two true leaf stage they get separated out into individual small pots and planted out when they get too big for the 3 or 4 inch pots - so i suppose that's once.
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Postby Herbidacious » May 27th, 2018, 10:32 am

I am torn between laziness and economy: laziness as I need to sterilize the big pots before I use them (blight last year; economy: I would have to buy lots of intermediate (7 inch) pots if I don't go straight for the big ones.
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby Badger's mate » May 27th, 2018, 2:04 pm

Mine are sown in one of those 49 cell Agralan plant trainers, then into a multi cell insert tray. Depending upon how many of each variety, they might get put into a 24 cell, 15 cell or half-tray 6 cell trays. If in the latter they'll be planted out after that, otherwise they might go into 3-4 inch pots. Spare plants go into pots for plant sales.
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby Herbidacious » May 27th, 2018, 5:31 pm

I ended up potting on about 15. There rest (!) aren't ready yet.

I was going to pot on my tromboncini, but wondered if they could go straight into big pots. I am thinking about it...

Some of the tomato plants that I potted on had flower buds on them...
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Postby Badger's mate » May 27th, 2018, 10:29 pm

I sow squashes in multi-cell inserts, usually 2 per module and then transplant to 3-4 inch pots. I plant them out from there. This year I've got marrows (Badger cross, obviously) courgettes, tromboncino, winter sweet and Queensland Blue.
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby Herbidacious » July 13th, 2018, 6:13 pm

Does anyone prune their tomato plants?

Do you all pinch the growing tips out? I don't usually bother, but they are getting HUGE. All this sunshine...

I are my first one an hour ago. Some others are turning too.

I am going to need to decide how to presrve them as there will be too many to eat as they ripen, I think (Touch wood!)
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby suffolk » July 13th, 2018, 7:18 pm

Most years I stop them at 5 trusses as I grow all of mine outside. This year I may let one or two of them go to 6.
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby Herbidacious » July 13th, 2018, 9:17 pm

Goodness knows how many I have on each plant :oops: I find it hard to do this, same as I find it hard to throw away weak seedlings...
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Postby Zosherooney » July 13th, 2018, 9:18 pm

I pinch out the side shoots I manage to find. Don't bother with the cherry and mini plum ones in the outside hanging baskets. GH plants are up to roof height now so I have pinched out the middles.

I have Black Russian for salads and fresh eating and Moneymaker for whizzing, cooking and freezing.

My single cucumber in the GH has gone ballistic ! It seems to be growing inches per day...... 4 separate stems all producing baby cucs. Some are already nearly 3" long. No ripe tommys yet.
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby Badger's mate » July 13th, 2018, 9:56 pm

I pinch out side shoots and the main stem when they reach the top of the stick or the roof of the greenhouse. I've been meaning to stop some at one truss as recommended by James Wong, but never carry it out. Varieties this year are Brandywine and Supersweet 100. There are also some Sweet n Neat yellow, but these are bush toms so don't get pinched out, same as the Red Alerts over the plot. None has ripened yet. Cucumbers are fruiting, two sorts, Tendergreen burpless (never heard them burp) and Crystal Lemon. Been making quite a lot of tzatziki this month!
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby Herbidacious » July 14th, 2018, 8:37 am

I am growing a crystal lemon and there has been a small half golf ball sized cucumber on it for ages, butit's not getting any bigger. I think it should. I think it's too much in the shade. The first ones I ever grew when I was a student, was cyrstal apple, which looked similar.

Most of my crystal lemons were killed of by my oasesboxes, so I hve some others which are going a bit nuts, but hey are further behind, so flowering but not fruiting.
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby scullion » July 14th, 2018, 10:29 am

Badger's mate wrote:Been making quite a lot of tzatziki this month!


try my cucumber pickle recipe.
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby Badger's mate » July 14th, 2018, 2:30 pm

I have tried it, or KK's similar one, last year, with both cucumbers and achochas, thank you. At the moment we're eating them as fast as they're growing, but when we come back from hols there will (hopefully!) be a surplus that will need dealing with.
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Postby Badger's mate » July 14th, 2018, 2:33 pm

I am growing a crystal lemon and there has been a small half golf ball sized cucumber on it for ages, butit's not getting any bigger. I think it should.



I've harvested ours at roughly tennis ball size
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Postby Herbidacious » July 14th, 2018, 5:52 pm

I suspect mine is rotting on the plant :(
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Postby Zosherooney » July 15th, 2018, 8:53 am

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Taken this morning, it's going to be a real ugly one when it grows up !
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby Herbidacious » July 15th, 2018, 9:04 am

Blimey!

I have on with jut one extra 'nose', but yours...
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Postby scullion » July 15th, 2018, 9:06 am

is that a calabash'?
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Postby Zosherooney » July 15th, 2018, 9:21 am

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Black Russian Tomato Scully. Mine has about 6 full faces Herb !

These are mini plum (scrumped from a shop bought mini plum tomato back in Jan. this year) in one of the two hanging baskets. I have always admired the way the s'markets manage to have vine ripened specimens all the same size and all the same ripeness. Looks like I might manage it in about 2/3 weeks time fingers crossed !
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby scullion » July 15th, 2018, 10:02 am

i save seed from really tasty shop bought ones, too. i have some san marzano and a cœur de bœuf (from france) lined up for next year.
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Postby Herbidacious » July 15th, 2018, 11:15 am

Impressive Zosh!
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Postby Herbidacious » July 23rd, 2018, 5:35 pm

Afgh apparently my tomatoes have fallen over and off their tanks in my absence. Not sure exactly what cat sitter has done. She says some of the branches fell of while she was moving them next to window. Not sure if she has taken them off the tanks. She mentioned lots of roots that had grown into the tanks. Sigh. I am doomed on the tomato front. They were doing so well.
Next year either.

I am Not growing them or not going away between June and September :(

On the (very) up side the house and the cats are ok.
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby liketocook » July 26th, 2018, 6:30 pm

Oh herbi your not having much luck with tomatoes. :cry:
Personally I'd be staying home to nurture my "babies" if it came to a choice ;)
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Postby Zosherooney » July 26th, 2018, 9:23 pm

I'm watering n'bors growth while they are away. 4am this morning I woke with a start, as I realised I had not watered their tomatoes. Today they looked extremely sorry for themselves - I drenched them twice and thankfully looked at them 10 mins ago and they have recovered, won't be doing that again in a hurry !
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Re: tomtatos (tomato potato hybrids) and TOMATOES!

Postby Herbidacious » July 27th, 2018, 7:38 pm

Hmm ltc, maybe next year that’s how I will arrange things. But we had such an awful stressful holiday at Easter, and I couldn’t wait until September for another break. Work was very very busy until a couple of weeks ago. I desperately needed a break, ideally with lots of sunshine to recharge.

Of course next year will probably be a cr**y tomato summer.
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Postby liketocook » July 28th, 2018, 9:33 am

Herbidacious wrote:Hmm ltc, maybe next year that’s how I will arrange things. But we had such an awful stressful holiday at Easter, and I couldn’t wait until September for another break. Work was very very busy until a couple of weeks ago. I desperately needed a break, ideally with lots of sunshine to recharge.

Of course next year will probably be a cr**y tomato summer.

My comment was somewhat tongue in cheek, I'm sure the benefits of a decent break hugely outweigh growing tomatoes. :D
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Postby Herbidacious » July 28th, 2018, 4:21 pm

:oops: :D
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Postby Herbidacious » July 31st, 2018, 3:09 pm

Anyone got any ideas for stopping top heavy tomatoes in pots from falling over?

They currently each have four canes tied with string with string to form a sort of cage. In each case, the whole lot is toppling right over - plant, pot and canes. The only think I can think of of is something that goes under the water tank. Or severely prune the plants?

Frankly not sure how I am going to sort this without a helping pair of hands, even if anyone does have a bright idea - the cat sitter has lifted the pots off and out of the watering tanks - but that's what I shall have to do.
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Postby Seatallan » July 31st, 2018, 5:08 pm

Is there an adjacent wall/pipe/tree you could use to secure them to?
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Postby earthmaiden » July 31st, 2018, 6:28 pm

Could the pots go into a larger container?
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Postby suffolk » July 31st, 2018, 7:43 pm

Can you rig up some horizontal pole or beam above them, and then run strings/twine down to the canes?
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Postby Zosherooney » July 31st, 2018, 10:48 pm

Mine are mostly in the GH and they are all supporting each other. When they are smaller, they have long canes in each pot, then as they get bigger and depending how straight they are, I attach string/wires to the top of the GH and the window openings and then if there are any 'fallers' they are tied to each other for support. It seems to work and the structure each year is different as no 2 tomatoes are the same. There are some metal braces on the roof of the GH and they get used too. I don't think you have a GH though do you Herb ?
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Postby Herbidacious » August 1st, 2018, 6:56 am

They are all on the patio but some are next to a low wall which drops down to soil, so I did think maybe I could get some long canes (pain without car :evil: ) and put them in the ground below etc. The other two lots - no, nothing to tie them to, alas. I shall have to rig something up next year. Trellis on the wall they are next to. I guess they have got so top heavy because they were growing rigorously andhealthily with lots of toms before I went away...

They are all outside btw.

Last night I just looked at them and gave up. It's still quite windy. I was also desperately tired. However as a load of them are against the French windows, and it's going to get hot again, I will need to do something. Plus they blocking out the light and view even though they are not that tall. Day of the Tomatiffids...

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A couple of the plants now has terrible blossom end rot after being taken out of their tanks and presumably not watered enough. Pity. But there are more that look ok.
Some are pretty...

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Postby suffolk » August 1st, 2018, 9:11 am

Don't despair of the plants with the Blossom End Rot ... it affects individual fruit not the whole plant ... just because some on a plant have it that doesn't mean that the rest will. :tu:
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Postby Herbidacious » August 1st, 2018, 11:04 am

Thanks. I've not had it for years (since I got the quad grow, in fact) so forgotten what it involves. I shall try and sort things out tonight before it gets very hot again.

I am guessing the above tomato is a Tigerella.
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Postby Herbidacious » August 1st, 2018, 7:09 pm

Feeling quite pleased with myself.

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I shouldn't be too smug, as they may fall over again if it gets windy again, but really they just needed shuffling round rather than moving wholesale. It's taken me a good hour to sort them out. Quite a few fruit have fallen off, but I guess they will ripen in due course.
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Postby suffolk » August 1st, 2018, 7:21 pm

Or you can have Fried Green Tomatoes :lol: :chops:

We've been picking Sungolds for a few days now, but today we had our first Marmande and several Rosellas ........... I must say, someone told me that when I'd tasted a Rosella I'd grow them every year .... I agree .... we both agree .... absolutely delicious sweet, tart and smokey flavoured cherry toms ... superb. :chops:
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Postby Herbidacious » August 1st, 2018, 7:47 pm

I should have said, I am so pleased with myself because it was really really bothering me. Both the state of the plants and the claustophobia of having them blocking the light out of my sitting room. I am very relieved.

I have quite a lot of ripe tomatoes, but perhaps not enough to make a dish yet. (although I could have made bruschette this eveing had I been in the mood.) Lots of Gardners Delight and some Tigerella. There are some MASSIVE ones almost there. I bought the Silver Spoon Puglia cookbook and it has some nice vegetarian tomato recipes in it.

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Postby Badger's mate » August 1st, 2018, 9:25 pm

We've had a few servings from the Red Alerts, tried growing them under a biodegradable film mulch, which has kept the soil moist and the fruit off it. No apparent mollusc damage either, perhaps they don't like crawling on the stuff.

Brandywine and Sweet N Neat yellow ripening, probably one or two to be had this week. Supersweet 100 a bit behind.
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Postby Herbidacious » August 2nd, 2018, 7:15 am

Will look that stuff up, BM. I don't really find snails and slugs a problem with tomatoes, but might be worth trying with things that are troubled by them.
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Postby suffolk » August 2nd, 2018, 8:22 am

Brother (big potato/carrot/parsnip/onion farmer) uses hundreds of acres of that biodegradable film ... apparently it's made of a vegetable-based starch and it does biodegrade and just 'melt' into the soil over the season.

I'm sure he wouldn't spend big money on it if it didn't work ;)
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Postby liketocook » August 2nd, 2018, 10:06 am

I'm just beginning to get a few ripe ones but there are loads beginning to turn :)
Stupice was first to ripen followed by Sungold and Maskota. Stupice & Maskota are both Eastern European varieties which seem to like the Scottish climate. At the moment there are just enough ripe ones for me easily use up so none for the freezer yet.
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Postby Badger's mate » August 2nd, 2018, 1:36 pm

Yes Herbi, that sort of thing.

I think it is worth it for certain crops, but probably wouldn't use it for everything. This year I've got it under the bush toms (and a few celery/celeriac plants) and some brassicas. Next year I will do the same with the toms and perhaps try it with early spuds or squashes.

I have noticed that some organisations are sending their magazines wrapped in the stuff, RSPB & RHS for example.
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