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The Victorian House - Arts and Crafts

Postby Busybee » January 12th, 2019, 4:25 pm

Watched this today on catch up, thought it was fabulous. Thoroughly enjoyed, I’m not able to comment on the art and craft displayed/created but I thought they showed some amazing skills and imagination.

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Re: The Victorian House - Arts and Crafts

Postby PatsyMFagan » January 12th, 2019, 5:15 pm

I am loving it …. :tu: :tu: :tu:
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Re: The Victorian House - Arts and Crafts

Postby earthmaiden » January 12th, 2019, 5:56 pm

I saw some of it today. It struck me that we are ripe for another revival of this kind what with an increasingly jaded view of mass consumerism and Brexit. I wonder who the leaders would be (the Ruskin, Morris etc). Maybe there is such a movement - at one time we admired Conran, Heals etc but I am out of touch with who are the leaders now - people who upcycle probably. Obviously that's not the same as making beautiful and useful things from scratch but these are different times.
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Re: The Victorian House - Arts and Crafts

Postby scullion » January 12th, 2019, 8:09 pm

the problem is people's perception of what things are worth, what it cost's to make and how much a craftsman's time is worth. if someone can pick up a mug in 'the big swedish shop' or tesco for a couple of quid why would they pay twenty or more (often less) for a hand thrown one? - add on the gallery's commission (if one is used) and you've increased it by another 50%.
i've just had some kitchen units made by a local furniture maker. they've cost me three times what my son paid for a whole kitchen from wickes with fewer components and without the appliances - but i've got exactly what i want, made with solid wood and granite, and which will last me out ( and which can be moved and configured in a different way/building if i want).
i'm not sure joe public is prepared to spend on the hand crafted when they can get the one they admired in their friends for far cheaper, massed produced.
my dining table was made by my grandfather (a cabinet maker) who was born in the 1870's and died before i was born. i love it. i often wonder if there are any more of his around.
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Re: The Victorian House - Arts and Crafts

Postby Herbidacious » January 12th, 2019, 8:19 pm

I am sure you are right Scullion. We have come to expect a lot for a little, even if the quality is not always high. Clothing (Primark, Sainsburys...) food too. The means of production is hidden from, or conveniently glossed over by the consumer.
Of course, one cannot assume that hand made = high quality, but consumers think it does, hence the over use of the term 'artisan' in eateries.

I suppose with day to day breakables, though, it would not make sense to spend a huge amount?

I am still angling for a Mouseman chair to go with my lovely tables :)
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Re: The Victorian House - Arts and Crafts

Postby Suelle » January 12th, 2019, 8:26 pm

I think you've made a valid point, scullion. Individual hand made pieces aren't for kitting out a whole house these days unless you are very rich - but I don't think they ever were, the Victorians who embraced Arts and Crafts were the richest ones too.

Craftspeople who take stalls at local fairs concentrate, for the main, on small pieces that people buy as gifts - they know people will pay a bit more for a single piece to give to someone else. They will buy one mug for £15 but couldn't possibly buy a set of 6, let alone a whole dinner service.

I really enjoyed the first programme - one of my favourite decorative arts eras. But I did wonder if future programmes are going to focus more on the clashes of personality, rather than the craft work.
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Re: The Victorian House - Arts and Crafts

Postby Ratatouille » January 14th, 2019, 7:32 pm

I am loving it too. My uncle, a woodwork teacher and very skilled craftsman would have been a brilliant participant in the programme, I have several pieces of furniture he made for the family. He also did metal work and I have the most beautiful copper bowl and lid he made
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