Suffs, I typed this up before I saw your post, it's not a response to it. Ratatoullie, your'e right.
"Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision - whichever way it goes.” Harold Wilson in 1975, as it was recognised the vote could not be binding on Parliament. I think it was a 50/50 but can’t be certain. I voted No then by the way.
I’m quite relaxed about this thread, think it’s great that we’re allowed to keep going but I need to mention the turn out for the Referendum was 72.2%.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... nformationI’m glad you posted that Guardian article aero280, as, once we sign an agreement with the USA we would have no control. The US of A doesn’t work like that.
Neither does the EU. The Greek Finance Minister, Yanis Varoufakis wrote a book, Adults in the Room on his experience in dealing with the EU - real scary stuff. I read it after the referendum, here’s the Guardian’s review.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/ ... kis-reviewcooksalot, suff and those expressing similar thoughts - I agree with you, it was appalling mess, but as KK points out it was all agreed by Parliament. DC put it to Parliament to have a referendum, they agreed, DC made it clear it would be 50/50 and that if only three people voted, with two voting one way that would be the result. We had the referendum and, eventually, Parliament voted by a majority (394) to trigger Article 50.
As I posted before I don’t think the election was gerrymandered, but I do think it was rigged. Ironically to get a Remain vote. Think about it. Keep the voting age to 18 to avoid too many young voters wanting to travel Europe, prevent ex-pats, who’ve lived abroad for a long time, voting cos they bound to favour where they’re living. And so on.
A mess, totally. An appalling way to run a first world country.

But this is where we’re at - and seeing that smug lying face of BoJo asking to pull together (not sure how that works) makes me want to vomit.
Yesterday I had coffee with a bunch of people, some of whom had to scraped off the ceiling in the anger at all. I wish you well cooksalot and maybe MP’s will take note, but I don’t whether the deals will be making after leaving the EU will benefit me in my lifetime.
Mr Zosh, nice to hear from you again. We disagreed last time but I’ll pick out one small part of your post.
“… we only get back about two out of every three pounds we put into Europe. This is a very bad deal.”
A UKIP activist said exactly the same to me canvassing on the street.
I’m pleased that my rich country is helping a poor one.
One more thing; I'm old, my coffee morning friends also, we voted Remain. Our family is mostly young - most of them voted Leave. Go figure.
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